If he thought the ball was out then the call should have been, "BALL OUT - Play On"?I heard the same, and thought surely our FK then, but didn’t see the actual dummy, maybe the ball was out, then he dummied?
So about 73:30 Scotland defending ruck on their own 22m. Caterpillar lines up, scrum hall faffs around rearranging the ball before lifting and kicking. Itoje charges down but is deemed to be offside. But perhaps adjusting the standard for the next decision.Not sure what ruck you guy are referring to. When did this happen in the match, I'll go have a look.
This is not about your, or my, perception of the incident.I watched the incident on iPlayer (at 2:26:36).
I'm certain that the ball doesn't leave the ground and the SH's hands remain on the ball. But I think he changed his footing, which must have looked like he was going for it.
Law 15.15.g states "Take any action to make opponents believe that the ruck has ended when it has not.". I'd give the SH the benefit of the doubt here. It doesn't look like a deliberate dummy, he's just adjusting his stance for the pass. I don't think a penalty for offside would have been unfair.
No need to define a dummy... let's just look at the laws... did the Scotland scrum half "Take any action to make opponents believe that the ruck has ended when it has not."... yes, he did!I suppose the question is "define a dummy"...
he hasnt dummied moving the ball. Just dipped and swayed his knees.
Is that a dummy?
Of course - if its not... then why did he do it ...
@Stu10 - Did the ref call dummy?
... but not if the ball was already actually out thoughNo need to define a dummy... let's just look at the laws... did the Scotland scrum half "Take any action to make opponents believe that the ruck has ended when it has not."... yes, he did!
No, he didn't make any call or appear to have a word with the scrum half afterwards.
So do we now discuss his ineffective communication as it appears he "misspoke"?1:50:11 into this video
"No, he dummied, play on.... BALL WAS OUT"
So point 1 you feel the blue SH took action that should have been penalised? I am not convinced of that but that is not my concern.No need to define a dummy... let's just look at the laws... did the Scotland scrum half "Take any action to make opponents believe that the ruck has ended when it has not."... yes, he did!
No, he didn't make any call or appear to have a word with the scrum half afterwards.
IN your opinion, he did.No need to define a dummy... let's just look at the laws... did the Scotland scrum half "Take any action to make opponents believe that the ruck has ended when it has not."... yes, he did!
Because if the ball is out of the ruck it's not an offence to dummy. Simples.So do we now discuss his ineffective communication as it appears he "misspoke"?
You can capitalise all you wish to but his first utterance is "No, he dummied" a gap of a few seconds and then "ball was out"
Why would you call dummy if you hadn't seen that?
If the ball is out you call in response to the blue player's claims of offside "No, ball out, play on."
So point 1 you feel the blue SH took action that should have been penalised? I am not convinced of that but that is not my concern.
Point 2, have you listened to the audio? What is your perception of what the referee said as this is the point I'm making? Is it similar to what @belladonna heard?
He called it as a dummy but didn't call an offence and he did not have a word later, perhaps because he didn't realise the SH had transgressed.
Wonder what feedback he got? We all know that Nigel Owens commented upon it during the game but it seems on here that I'm in a parallel time warp that doesn't want to accept it.