In practice a charge-down is a close range attempt to block a kick when there is no realistic possibility of catching it and no attempt to do so. The ball goes forward off the blocker's hands and does not constitute a knock-on.
but when considering the 10m Rule, we are considering cases where the ball is merely deflected, and basically continues on it's way - meaning that the 10m rule doesn't apply. So it's not necessary for the ball to go forward off the charger to be a 'charge down'In practice a charge-down is a close range attempt to block a kick when there is no realistic possibility of catching it and no attempt to do so. The ball goes forward off the blocker's hands and does not constitute a knock-on.
If it just deflects then to me that’s not a charge down. Since it usually happens almost instantly in a game I don’t have time to overthink (which is a good thing) and for me a charge down has to be at least a semi-deliberate action by the charger and somewhere toward the upper part of their body. Stick out a leg - that’s a kick. Try and turn away and ball hits you, not a charge down. Ball kicked toward your face and you instinctively throw arms up and hit the ball forward - I’ll treat that as a charge down (and no, you haven’t just put the team mate in front of you onside…)is a charge down if the kicker kicks the ball into an opponent (presumably accidentally!) with no voluntary action by the opponent?
for an extreme example if the opponent has their back to the kicker ?
Give me a scenario relating to the 10m RuleIf it just deflects then to me that’s not a charge down. Since it usually happens almost instantly in a game I don’t have time to overthink (which is a good thing) and for me a charge down has to be at least a semi-deliberate action by the charger and somewhere toward the upper part of their body. Stick out a leg - that’s a kick. Try and turn away and ball hits you, not a charge down. Ball kicked toward your face and you instinctively throw arms up and hit the ball forward - I’ll treat that as a charge down (and no, you haven’t just put the team mate in front of you onside…)
As interpretations go it’s a bit rough and ready but works for me in the lower leagues without TMO or ARs
In the situation offered, the grubber kick started in blue's half (attempted 50:22), I assume red winger is approximately on his own 22 metre, with blue defender always in front of the kicker and standing within 5m of red winger at the time he gathers the grubber kick... there are some gaps in the story here, but I assume either (a) blue defender was in-front of the kicker and continued to move forward to close down the red wing as he gathers the kick, or (b) blue defender was already 20 yards offside and just stayed next to red winger when the kick was made... he should have been doing everything to get back onside before the time that red gathers the kick, so how is he only 5m away... unless there is a scenario c, there is no way blue defender is preventing a penalty, IMHO.so you're saying that there is nothing the blue player can do to prevent a penalty? Not even run away from the red player?
OK. Here's the question:In the situation offered, the grubber kick started in blue's half (attempted 50:22), I assume red winger is approximately on his own 22 metre, with blue defender always in front of the kicker and standing within 5m of red winger at the time he gathers the grubber kick... there are some gaps in the story here, but I assume either (a) blue defender was in-front of the kicker and continued to move forward to close down the red wing as he gathers the kick, or (b) blue defender was already 20 yards offside and just stayed next to red winger when the kick was made... he should have been doing everything to get back onside before the time that red gathers the kick, so how is he only 5m away... unless there is a scenario c, there is no way blue defender is preventing a penalty, IMHO.
We are trying to visualise what this situation looks like using a few provided details. I'm sure that we would both call this correctly IRL.
He's still offside under virtually every other aspect of Law 10, so may not interfere with play or move towards the ball.OK. Here's the question:
Does the 10 metre law apply at all in the case of a grubber kick given that the ball initially lands 1 metre in front of the kicker? 10 metre law talks about player waiting to catch ball, etc which surely doesn't apply for a grubber kick ... or does it?
all that means is the grubber kick lands eg 1m in fornt of the kicker. so there is your point of landing which the oppo failed to catch.OK. Here's the question:
Does the 10 metre law apply at all in the case of a grubber kick given that the ball initially lands 1 metre in front of the kicker? 10 metre law talks about player waiting to catch ball, etc which surely doesn't apply for a grubber kick ... or does it?
The wording seems to be the 10m applies where it’s caught or where it lands so yes even for a grubber and that’s at the first bounce I guess.OK. Here's the question:
Does the 10 metre law apply at all in the case of a grubber kick given that the ball initially lands 1 metre in front of the kicker? 10 metre law talks about player waiting to catch ball, etc which surely doesn't apply for a grubber kick ... or does it?