5 metre lineout this weekend

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Watched some of the Premiership games this weekend and have noticed that defensive teams are lining up on the 5 metre line, and not setting the middle of the lineout on the 5 metre line.
Have I missed some new guidance or was I been misinformed previously?
 

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Watched some of the Premiership games this weekend and have noticed that defensive teams are lining up on the 5 metre line, and not setting the middle of the lineout on the 5 metre line.
Have I missed some new guidance or was I been misinformed previously?
You haven’t missed anything. Strictly speaking by the wording of the laws it should be up the middle. But having raised this question at the highest level it has been deemed to be a referee’s decision as to where to position the lineout. So on another weekend you will see different referees position it different from the previous week. My observation tends to be that referees from other countries do tend to set a lineout with the line up the middle more than RFU referees.
 

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Watched some of the Premiership games this weekend and have noticed that defensive teams are lining up on the 5 metre line, and not setting the middle of the lineout on the 5 metre line.
Have I missed some new guidance or was I been misinformed previously?
Can you be more specific in terms of what your actual question is?

I'm guessing you are thinking the mark for the line should be on the 5m but at the end of the day the mark is where the referee says it is. If they feel it's appropriate to adjust slightly to best manage the game then so be it as far as I'm concerned! !
 

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I'd say its clear that wherever the lineout actuially gets set wrt two lines of "catchers", the thrower starts standing on the midline, then takes a small step towards his own side before throwing in anyway. Its all rather irrelevant.
 

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First time I AR’s the referee asked us to use the lines where possible. So if a L/O is around the 10m line, make the mark so that one of the teams is on the line. Makes everything a little easier.
 

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First time I AR’s the referee asked us to use the lines where possible. So if a L/O is around the 10m line, make the mark so that one of the teams is on the line. Makes everything a little easier.
so what sort of distance is the leeway? 1m? 5 m? whichever line is nearest even if they are 17m apart ?
 

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so what sort of distance is the leeway? 1m? 5 m? whichever line is nearest even if they are 17m apart ?
Come on... don't be that guy!
 

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so what sort of distance is the leeway? 1m? 5 m? whichever line is nearest even if they are 17m apart ?
I think this is a bit silly. The OP clearly wrote "where possible".
 

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I quite often use a line, as a small distance either way isn't material.
but for a 5m line out, I use the 5m line as the centre - seems to me that close to the line half a metre is material
 

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I quite often use a line, as a small distance either way isn't material.
but for a 5m line out, I use the 5m line as the centre - seems to me that close to the line half a metre is material
No problem with that as far as I'm concerned!
 

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I always make the defensive line mark and allow the throwing team to set their gap (within reason), so for me if there’s a line I’ll use it, for me the 5m would be where I expect the defence to be - makes it nice and easy for me (and them) - but I guess as long as you communicate what you want and are consistent it’s all good.
 

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I always make the defensive line mark and allow the throwing team to set their gap (within reason), so for me if there’s a line I’ll use it, for me the 5m would be where I expect the defence to be - makes it nice and easy for me (and them) - but I guess as long as you communicate what you want and are consistent it’s all good.
for me that's given the defence an extra 50cm -- which isn't normally important, but so close to the try-line might as well get it precise.

So, I also mark the defensive line and I mark it about 50cm inside the 5m line.

Although at our level, again, it rarely really comes up, they don't often kick so accurately that they make touch between the goal line and 5m line !
 

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for me that's given the defence an extra 50cm -- which isn't normally important, but so close to the try-line might as well get it precise.

So, I also mark the defensive line and I mark it about 50cm inside the 5m line.

Although at our level, again, it rarely really comes up, they don't often kick so accurately that they make touch between the goal line and 5m line !

True, but then with sleepy touch judges with unknown loyalties and boggy chewed up winter pitches with invisible lines who's to call me out on my accuracy - if that's the biggest grumble with the job I'm doing then I'm having a good day!
 

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I think this is a bit silly. The OP clearly wrote "where possible".
so what defines "where possible" - and is that 1m ? 2m? 0.01 m ?

why not ref the thing like the laws say? tell them wher YOU thiknk the line is instead of making stuff up as you go along?
 

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Not keen on making the attackers go 10% further than they should.
We don't make kickers kick penalties 10% further.
 

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the thrower starts standing on the midline, then takes a small step towards his own side before throwing in anyway.
Sorry for going off-topic, but why is this tolerated? And squint 5m throws?
 
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