Aus v Wales - #14 Aus on #15 Wales

[Simon Thomas]

How on earth is a tackle at 60 minutes (with arms around ankles) of a player in the air catching the ball NOT a RC offence ? I started at red and went double red, and thren triple red on replay.

Complete cop out by the referee to award just YC.

 

[Simon Thomas]

Now a ridiculous scrum PK decision against Wales.

Why would Jones take down his own out in ? Just look at his body angles and pre-engagement position and compare to the Aussie.

Now convince me Jones was to blame - quite shocking interpretation by the referee.

 

[Phil E]

How on earth is a tackle at 60 minutes (with arms around ankles) of a player in the air catching the ball NOT a RC offence ? I started at red and went double red, and thren triple red on replay.

Complete cop out by the referee to award just YC.

I agree completely. I just sat back on the sofa thinking this is a RC. When he went to his pocket I said (to the dog, no one else was interested), yep, RC.

I too thought YC was a complete cop out.

Had he just run straight through him, upending him in the process I might have thought YC. But he had hold of his ankle up by his own head.

 

[Phil E]

Now a ridiculous scrum PK decision against Wales.

Why would Jones take down his own out in ? Just look at his body angles and pre-engagement position and compare to the Aussie.

Now convince me Jones was to blame - quite shocking interpretation by the referee.

Not so sure about this one. It was very close and personally I would have reset the scrum. They both ended up on their noses, neither of them turned in, which is usually a guilty giveaway.

However when I watched it again you could see the Red LH hinge downwards at the waist while the Yellow TH was still flat. Red LH had his head below his hips before the rest went down with him.

I have no idea why he would do that, I just know what I saw.......but as I say, it was very close.

 

[MattyP]

Simon, surely you don't really consider "why" a prop would collapse a scrum in making a decision?

Jones flat-out hinged and went straight down, the same thing Aussie props have been pinged off the park for over the last 10 years.

Must say I agree on the RC for taking the man out in the air. Ugly stuff.

 

[Dickie E]

I only saw it live and it looked like a reckless YC to me. I'll have a look on the replay. Vuna is not adding much to the team - may see a change for Sydney.

 

[Blindpugh]

How on earth is a tackle at 60 minutes (with arms around ankles) of a player in the air catching the ball NOT a RC offence ? I started at red and went double red, and thren triple red on replay.

Complete cop out by the referee to award just YC.

Totally agree Simon my reaction when he gave YC was another referee who has bottled it regarding players safety unlike Alain Roland. I suspect it will be reviewed and made a RC. Not much consolation to Wales who should have been playing against 14 for last 20 mins.

With regards to scrum penalty it was against Jenkins (No 1) for hinging. I would have asked myself which is has been the dominant scrum and agree with Phil E especially as Gold 3 was flat on his belly I would have reset.

Enjoyed the game pity a key referee decision has stopped a decider in Sydney

 

[menace]

I only saw it live and it looked like a reckless YC to me. I'll have a look on the replay. Vuna is not adding much to the team - may see a change for Sydney.

Can't see how it couldn't have been a RC? Vuna had no interest in th ball.*

The reason he won't be playing in Sydney is because he'll be serving a suspension - surely?

Maybe Brown can't correctly pick who collapses a scrum (and whos put in for a scrum through 90) but glad he can pick who collapses a maul! epper:epper:

 

[Taff]

..... Maybe Brown can't correctly pick .... whos put in for a scrum through 90 ...

Was it won against the head?

 

[MattyP]

It has been cited.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/18472338

 

[Blindpugh]

Was it won against the head?

No Jenkins used tactic that experienced front row players used by stepping across and forward to counteract Oz wheel. He appealed to Pollock that Welsh front row had not gone through 90. Pollock awarded reset to Wales

 

[Ian_Cook]

Very, very dangerous. Straight RC all day long.

 

[Dickie E]

Maybe Pollock can't correctly pick who collapses a scrum (and whos put in for a scrum through 90) but glad he can pick who collapses a maul! epper:epper:

Corrected.

Pollock said the scrum went to ground before going through 90

 

[Dickie E]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu72sV9699w

I'll go out on a limb and stick with YC. He made a mess of his running line by trying to avoid the Welsh #8. He ran under Halfpenny without looking but there was no malice/intent. By the time he held Halfpenny's ankle Halfpenny was already hitting the ground.

Vuna does have priors though.

 

[Account Deleted]

Red Card.

Re the Scrum. Wales might get more "rewards" if Adam Jones bound legally. He's on the arm every time.

 

[The Fat]

Red Card.

Re the Scrum. Wales might get more "rewards" if Adam Jones bound legally. He's on the arm every time.

Spot on ATTR.

Re Vuna, very clumsy, inexperienced running line that could have ended much worse and should have been a RC. Agree with Dickie that Halfpenny was already hitting the ground when Vuna grabbed his ankle which made it look even worse. He tried to do the right thing by apologising to Halfpenny as he was trudging off but fu@$%d that up as well by pushing down on Halfpenny's head and neck. A hand on the shoulder and a "sorry mate" would have been more sensible. He is out of his depth at this level at this stage of his career. Why can't Deans see that? He will get suspended which will give someone else an opportunity next week anyway. If there are no better wingers in Oz at the moment, we are pretty hard up when it comes to scraping a team together. If Beale is available, he will be picked at FB and AAC will move to the wing.

 

[menace]

Corrected.

Pollock said the scrum went to ground before going through 90

Thanks for correction.

Harsh call IMHO. Wales were under pressure as it went back and through 90 and Wales scrum knew it and I think deliberately went down. Fair enough Pollock didn't want to go PK for collapse as maybe not clear and obvious to him but I thought a reset and Wales feed just didn't look justified. It didn't reward Oz legal dominance in THAT scrum. Perhaps Oz scrum reputation (somewhat understanably) dictated his decision?

 

[dave_clark]

have elite refs ever regularly given red cards for such incidents? not saying it's not worthy of one, but in the event of a ruling or precedent are we really surprised?

 

[Davet]

I'll go out on a limb and stick with YC. He made a mess of his running line by trying to avoid the Welsh #8. He ran under Halfpenny without looking but there was no malice/intent.

Accident, careless, reckless, or deliberate?

Accident may get just pk (note may)
Careless should earn YC
Reckless should be RC and low-mid range ban
Deliberate should be RC and mid-top range ban

So which was it? I didn't see it.

 

[Account Deleted]

have elite refs ever regularly given red cards for such incidents? not saying it's not worthy of one, but in the event of a ruling or precedent are we really surprised?

It isvery clear that rulings and the directives are being ignored (tip tackle for example) with both Walsh (ref) and Pearson stating: "leave it to the CO". Do you really think a ruling would make any difference?