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*ducks for cover*
My understanding is "when player(scrum half) has control of the ball" that means even one hand holding the ball be it on the ground or in the air. Others say only when lifted off the ground with one or both hands? Is there a law covering this?
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Two laws cover successful end of a ruck or scrum.
Ruck Law 16.6 The ruck ends successfully when the ball leaves the ruck.
Scrum Law 20.10 When the ball comes out.
Neither law has a reference to "player" or to "hands".
Ruck Law 16.6 The ruck ends successfully when the ball leaves the ruck.
Scrum Law 20.10 When the ball comes out.
Neither law has a reference to "player" or to "hands".
Bwana - this topic has been done to death several times, and yet it keeps coming back, because there is no straightforward, universal answer.
1. Marauder quoted what the law says.
2. A World Rugby clarification said that the ball is out when it is lifted.
Technically the scrum half is using his hands in a ruck or scrum, so the accepted view is that provided the ball has been clearly won, he may take the ball out (this sometimes means digging for it in a ruck).
The World Rugby ruling removes the old argument about "one hand or two" on the ball.
Pragmatically, at lower levels, the scrumhalf should remove the ball as soon as he can once he has played it, and the ball is out when it leaves the ruck
1. Marauder quoted what the law says.
2. A World Rugby clarification said that the ball is out when it is lifted.
Technically the scrum half is using his hands in a ruck or scrum, so the accepted view is that provided the ball has been clearly won, he may take the ball out (this sometimes means digging for it in a ruck).
The World Rugby ruling removes the old argument about "one hand or two" on the ball.
Pragmatically, at lower levels, the scrumhalf should remove the ball as soon as he can once he has played it, and the ball is out when it leaves the ruck
Thanks OB and Marauder, so "when it's lifted " as per World Rugby, sounds the best? Is there any easy reference to this "lifted" ruling OB?
And yet, if a scrum half was digging for the ball and as he lifted it was smashed by an opposition player while the ball was still within the tangle of bodies and legs, 99% of referees would penalise the opposition player for playing the scrum half before the ball was out (AND RIGHTLY SO).
The said clarification offers limited clarification.
The Laws of The Game state that the ball is out when it leaves the ruck. That is clear cut.
Good luck Bwana!!!
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USA GMG are explicit about defining it and removing doubt.
And yet...every weekend...
And yet...every weekend...
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Thats Ruck all agreed then, but the ball is in the scrum until it
A) leaves the scrum
B) HMP ( if ball at his feet) unbinds and therefore makes it out ....or
C) the scrum half leans in and physically removes in from inside the aforementioned scrum before playing it .......oh, PS...only the 9 of the side in possession can 'officially not' do this" if the other 9 tries it ...PK for his handling in the scrum !
Equity 0 v flow 1 ..... :shrug: