Benjamin Fall's Red Card has been Rescinded

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Yes, folks, its true...

http://www.allblacks.com/News/32583/benjamin-fall-red-card-hearing-outcome


"The Independent Judicial Committee found:
“As demonstrated in the video footage, the Player, at all times, had his eyes on the ball whilst it was in the air, which showed, in our opinion, a clear intention, on the part of the Player, that he intended to contest it. From the moment the ball leaves France #10’s boot the Player is observed running a line at pace to a position which he believes will put him in the best possible position to catch it. The line that the Player is running is then altered by his collision with NZ #13. This collision then causes the Player to lose his balance, stumble and be propelled or pushed towards the path of NZ #10. By reason of those matters the Player’s attempt to contest the ball was compromised. In our opinion, the direct and proximate cause for that outcome was the result of the Player’s collision with NZ #13. As a result of his collision with NZ #13 the Player was denied the time (less than 1 second) and the space to put himself in a position to avoid a collision with NZ #10 or to contest the ball as he had initially planned.


“Whilst it is unfortunate that NZ #10 sustained a concussion after landing on his head, was removed from the match and is unlikely to be available for the third Test match we did not consider that the Player’s actions, in the circumstances of this case, were deliberate or reckless. In our opinion, as supported by all the video footage, the Player’s actions were accidental as they were brought about by his collision with NZ #13, the effect of which changed his initial running line thereby pushing him towards NZ #10. We did not consider that the Player would have foreseen the events, which ultimately unfolded, and therefore could not have, in our opinion, given the speed of the events and the dynamics at play, taken any preventative steps to avoid the collision with NZ #10 or to have put himself in a position to contest the ball as he had initially planned.


“Therefore, having regard to the totality of the evidence, the Judicial Committee was satisfied, on the balance of probabilities, that the referee’s decision to issue the red card was wrong. In reaching that conclusion, it is important to record, that no criticism is made of the referee nor, in our opinion, would any be warranted. Unlike the referee we had the benefit of all the video footage, which showed various angles of the incident. Unlike the referee we had the luxury of time to deliberate and consider, in private, the incident. In contrast, the referee was required to make his decision in a matter of minutes in the full gaze of the public and without the benefit of all the relevant material.


“Accordingly, the red card is dismissed and the Player is free to resume playing rugby immediately. We direct World Rugby to expunge the Ordering Off (red card) from the Player’s disciplinary record.”


The represents a MASSIVE backpedal. Take everything you have been told about these issues ..

1. intent is not taken into account.

2. that the player had his eyes on the ball is irrelevant

3. the issue is to be judged on outcome

...and throw it out the window. None of this applies any more

The burning question now is, will WR appeal?

ETA: IMO, the judiciary has shown a whole shitload of commonsense here, much of it exactly what some of us critics of the Law have been saying ever since the Dan Biggar v Finn Russell incident.
 
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you would have to think that the French press will go ballistic over this.

A soft YC in first Test, now a "wrong" RC in second Test.
 

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Forget all the mealy-mouthed weasel words about how they don't blame Angus for the wrong call...

In reaching that conclusion, it is important to record, that no criticism is made of the referee nor, in our opinion, would any be warranted. Unlike the referee we had the benefit of all the video footage, which showed various angles of the incident. Unlike the referee we had the luxury of time to deliberate and consider, in private, the incident. In contrast, the referee was required to make his decision in a matter of minutes in the full gaze of the public and without the benefit of all the relevant material.


...they have hung him out to dry. If I was AG right now, I would be bloody furious. He has followed the WR protocols TO THE LETTER. and still been shafted.
 

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https://rugbyonslaught.com/watch-ridiculous-red-card-hijacks-french-chances-blacks/

The rugbyonslaughts will be having a field day.

I think the WR folk might have been better off saying that the 68 minutes that Falls didn't play was punishment enough.

OK, but it wasn't them that made this decision. It was an independent Judicial Panel

"Independent Judicial Committee comprising Adam Casselden SC (Chairman), David Croft (Ex-Australian and Queensland Reds player) and John Langford (Ex-Australian, ACT Brumbies and Munster player)."


who said....

"Accordingly, the red card is dismissed and the Player is free to resume playing rugby immediately. We direct World Rugby to expunge the Ordering Off (red card) from the Player’s disciplinary record.”
 

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Whilst I'm pleased with the outcome, it does raise questions. Not least:
"Are the citing panel following the same directives as referees?"

As Ian points out, this ruling flies right in the face of them (which is a good thing) but this wasn't a judgement of fact, and combined with their statement, shows that they are following different guidelines!
 

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OK, but it wasn't them that made this decision. It was an independent Judicial Panel

"Independent Judicial Committee comprising Adam Casselden SC (Chairman), David Croft (Ex-Australian and Queensland Reds player) and John Langford (Ex-Australian, ACT Brumbies and Munster player)."


who said....

"Accordingly, the red card is dismissed and the Player is free to resume playing rugby immediately. We direct World Rugby to expunge the Ordering Off (red card) from the Player’s disciplinary record.”

Perhaps, but out there they are one & the same:

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I would love to be a fly on the wall at 9 Pembroke Street Lower, Dublin this morning.
 

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Angus got absolutely hung out to dry there.

I dislike the law directives in this area, but he did everything right according to them. I wonder what the downstream ramifications are now?
 

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The U20 one was bizarre, literally taking the outcome vs intent to extremes, luckily the outcome was nothing, but the intent was clear ��
 

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“Eyes on the ball is not a mitigating factor” it just depends on whether there is a realistic chance of catching.
 

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“Eyes on the ball is not a mitigating factor” it just depends on whether there is a realistic chance of catching.

With Barrett 9 feet over the top, Falls was hardly a realistic chance to catch the ball
 

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Isn't this the key part of this override, that the actions of [Linert-Brown] the NZ 13 who accidentally (yeah of course, isn't it always!) blocked or bumped the chaser & affected his arrival timing

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If you cause a dangerous air time incident by judging a jumper .. is that a RC offence ?
 

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Some analysis of the non card deliberate tackle in the air in the U20 world cup final yesterday also...

didds

Referee did get that U20's one wrong.
Should've been a YC.

Jared Payne's was easy, IF no one affected his arrival timing then he is responsible =RC, IF an opponent deliberately and materially affected his arrival timing - then he has a reasonable defence to the charge.
 

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If you cause a dangerous air time incident by Nudging a jumper .. is that a RC offence ?

IF your actions are illegal, then that is indeed an interesting [culpable?] interference

Some might say 'poetic justice' for those who engage in such deliberate but subtle obstructions, & who knows it might even bring an end to the practice in pro-rugby , now there's wishful thinking !
 
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