Forward pass law

[crossref]

So @BikingBud

In post #8 you explain that this is all about velocity

In post #20 , understanding that the ball has no velocity, you explain that in fact it is all about the relative position of the two players


And neither of those two concepts are even mentioned in the Law definition of a Throw Forward


Can you see now that this is a difficult Law question to answer?

(It's NOT a difficult scenario to referee, peep, scrum, happy days. But one day something like this may cause problems for a TMO trying to apply the letter if the Law)

 

[Stu10]

I'm not convinced that it is possible to transfer a ball one player to another running at speed such that the ball maintains zero velocity throughout the transfer

 

[Rich_NL]

I'm not convinced that it is possible to transfer a ball one player to another running at speed such that the ball maintains zero velocity throughout the transfer

Velocity in which direction, and relative to what?

 

[Stu10]

Velocity in which direction, and relative to what?

In any direction relative to the passer.

(Check my reply in the other thread... more velocity fun, though I decided to say "direction" instead to keep it simple.)

 

[crossref]

I'm not convinced that it is possible to transfer a ball one player to another running at speed such that the ball maintains zero velocity throughout the transfer

that's why my scenario had the player passing the ball as stationary, for clarity.

But even when running, the balls forward velocity will be the same as the that of the player who is handing over the ball

 

[tim White]

Throw forward: When a player throws or passes the ball forward i.e. if the arms of the player passing the ball move forward.

If the ball did not move forwards (relative to the player) then it is not a forward pass or knock on. I note the 'simplified' Law Books has removed some lines here which could have been helpful.

 

[crossref]

Throw forward: When a player throws or passes the ball forward i.e. if the arms of the player passing the ball move forward.

If the ball did not move forwards (relative to the player) then it is not a forward pass or knock on.

For a forward pass that's definitely correct.

For a knock-on, I don't think that is correct - I think we judge a knock on by whether it goes forward relative to the ground.

This was explored in my scenario #2 - where a play drops the ball behind him, but it has still travelled forward over the ground.

Not many people would explicitly say yes/no, but from the comments I think the view was unanimously : it's a knock on

this is the one --

Knock On Law .

That's an incomplete scenario. What happens next? the ball hit the ground (I should have explicity stated that, sorry), it hit the ground in front of the player, but (because the player was running backwards) actually closer to the players own DBL then when it hit his hands Still absolutely...

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