Global Law Trials

[winchesterref]

JZ558 - when was the last time you saw a kicker actually take the kick behind the mark.
So of course the ball was ahead of the half way line.
So when it goes indirectly into touch in the 22, you award line-out to the defending side.
If they are awake, they ask if that means the kick was taken in their half.
When you say yes, they opt for the scrum on halfway.

Fair. If you want the 50/22 from a restart, kick from behind the line!

 

[timmad]

Fair. If you want the 50/22 from a restart, kick from behind the line!

Aren't kick-offs / restarts after score nominally taken from the half-way line? Or could the kicker take it from anywhere behind the line back to the goal line? Is the halfway line in any half of the pitch?

 

[timmad]

Answered my own question:
Law 12.2 Kick-offs are taken on or behind the centre of the half-way line. [COLOR=#00419B !important]Sanction: [/COLOR][COLOR=#00419B !important]The non-kicking team has the option of the kick being retaken or a scrum.[/COLOR]

 

[Dickie E]

Interesting question posed in another forum:

Does the 50/22 law apply to kickoffs/restart kicks that go indirectly into touch inside the 22?

nice work thepercy!

WR have now amended the law

 

[Camquin]

Were they reading this thread?

 

[Phil E]

nice work thepercy!

WR have now amended the law

Haha, "we have snuck this change in without telling anyone because we ballesed it up...again"

 

[thepercy]

nice work thepercy!

WR have now amended the law

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The bit about a TRM or opponent touching the ball was added as well.

 

[Camquin]

I thought it previously said the phase must have started - so this is just clarifying what that means.

 

[crossref]

Its annoying that they have re-written Law 12 and STILL have left out the scenario of

Attacking player carries ball into the in goal, but then places foot over DBL or into TIG so ball is dead.

Missing since the rewrite. This was a good chance to fill that gap

So last season we'd all give 22m DO - what will we give this season ? A goal line one ?

 

[chbg]

nice work thepercy!

WR have now amended the law

View attachment 4084

So it was allowed until today!

 

[buff]

Its annoying that they have re-written Law 12 and STILL have left out the scenario of

Attacking player carries ball into the in goal, but then places foot over DBL or into TIG so ball is dead.

Missing since the rewrite. This was a good chance to fill that gap

So last season we'd all give 22m DO - what will we give this season ? A goal line one ?

If we gave a 22 drop last year, and the the trial makes no mention of this particular situation, it makes sense to give a 22 drop this year.

 

[Ciaran Trainor]

If we gave a 22 drop last year, and the the trial makes no mention of this particular situation, it makes sense to give a 22 drop this year.

Agreed, no different to kicking the ball dead so 22 for me.

 

[crossref]

Some other oddities arising from the curious wording used in the laws

blue kick into red in goal
.. red ground ball = GLDO
.. red kick ball over DBL = 22mDO

Blue charge down a red clearance kick and ball goes into red in goal
.. red ground ball = 22mDO (not a GLDO oddly)
.. red kick ball over DBL = 22mDO
.. red knock on = 5m scrum
.. blue knock on = GLDO

It's quite complicated !
(and seems a little random)

 

[thepercy]

PK ADV then 50/22, ADV over?

 

[crossref]

PK ADV then 50/22, ADV over?

I would say so

 

[smeagol]

PK ADV then 50/22, ADV over?

I would agree. The most likely scenario where the team would want the PK instead of the LO is if they wanted the 3 points, and how many grassroots kickers can consistently kick goals from their own half?

 

[OB..]

[...] how many grassroots kickers can consistently kick goals from their own half?

I remember one game in the bottom level league some years ago. The Gloucester Civil Service fly half had clearly played at a higher level but was getting on in years. The ball came to him just inside his own half and he dropped a goal into a strong wind.

The club folded not long afterwards - the Civil Service Sports Council reported that they were not paying their way, and the site was sold for housing.

 

[Camquin]

Why is it people struggle to take drop-kick conversions, yet can slot them from much further in open play?

 

[chbg]

Why is it people struggle to take drop-kick conversions, yet can slot them from much further in open play?

Because many more 'people' try at shorter ranges?

 

[didds]

Why is it people struggle to take drop-kick conversions, yet can slot them from much further in open play?

because "open play" usually happens dead in front ?