Held Up In Goal - How Long?

[the magpie]

How long do you wait to blow up play after a player was initially held up in goal.

I've known referees who interpret it as the player with the ball has an instant (the same instant in the field of play they would have to play the ball), while others would allow the player with the ball 10-15 seconds to try and wrestle the ball to the ground.

Law 22.10 says

When a player carrying the ball is held up in the in-goal so that the player cannot ground the ball, the ball is dead.

But how long do you wait to consider the player cannot ground the ball?

 

[The Fat]

How long do you wait to blow up play after a player was initially held up in goal.

I've known referees who interpret it as the player with the ball has an instant (the same instant in the field of play they would have to play the ball), while others would allow the player with the ball 10-15 seconds to try and wrestle the ball to the ground.

Law 22.10 says


But how long do you wait to consider the player cannot ground the ball?

3-4 seconds tops.
Certainly not 10-15. That's an eternity

 

[PaulDG]

3-4 seconds tops.
Certainly not 10-15. That's an eternity

3-4 seconds can feel like an eternity when everyone is focused on the struggle.

(If you're involved with the game, it's possible what looks like 10-15 seconds is actually only 3-4.)

 

[Taff]

Very good advice I was given (from this site) was to shout "Ground It" after 2 - 3 seconds. If they can't, it's obviously been held up. Just blow up and say "Held up in goal lads. 5m scrum. Red ball" .... and nobody complains.

I've tried it and it works. :wink:

 

[Dickie E]

If ref calls "ground it" and a player prevents that - is that an offence?

 

[PaulDG]

If ref calls "ground it" and a player prevents that - is that an offence?

Is it an offence when the ref calls "use it" but the scrum half can't get the ball out?

 

[Simon Thomas]

2-3 seconds, then blow.

 

[Jenko]

Now this is 'held up in goal!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03gpzFZadcQ

 

[Rit Hinners]

Now this is 'held up in goal!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03gpzFZadcQ

Exactly!!

If the idiot is stupid enough to get held up in goal, you need to give the defense enough time to hustle him into touch in goal. With idiocy like that, you don't want to reward it with a mere 5m scrum.

 

[Not Kurt Weaver]

Now this is 'held up in goal!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03gpzFZadcQ

The end result of Mr. Carling's mistake should have been a 22m drop as the ball was made dead and not held up in goal.

 

[chopper15]

Why a time limit? :sad:

The Scots showed that standing around like spare priques at a wedding to allow a stalemate is not a likely outcome. . . . and it's to the defending side's advantage to make sure he's put over the DBL. . . so play on.:hap:

 

[beckett50]

Because a player on the ground must do something IMMEDIATELY

 

[andyscott]

In my mind, slowly thinking, that looks held up, breath, 2, 3 peep held up

 

[chopper15]

Because a player on the ground must do something IMMEDIATELY

Who's on the ground?

 

[Davet]

Almost every ballcarrier who attempts to score a try and finds the ball is held up, other than Will Carling.

 

[Rit Hinners]

I thought we were discussing PLAYERS held up, not a hand under the BALL and few if any players on their feet.

How long do you wait to blow up play after a player was initially held up in goal.....
....But how long do you wait to consider the player cannot ground the ball?

Yes, looks like the OP asked about the PLAYER being held up.

 

[Drift]

2-5 seconds depending on how it got in there.
Maul - 2 seconds ish
A covering tackle - 4/5 seconds or until the momentum has stopped.

 

[Phil E]

2-5 seconds depending on how it got in there.
Maul - 2 seconds ishA covering tackle - 4/5 seconds or until the momentum has stopped.

You can't have a maul in goal.

 

[Lee Lifeson-Peart]

... a hand under the BALL.... /

That's a popular one I find - PEEEEP..Try! - "but I've got my hand under it"

My take is unless you look like Kenny Everett as Brother Lee Love that's a fairly unconvincing argument.

 

[chopper15]

But why a time limit, please?

In the FoP you let them get on with it. Why should a ref think he should call a halt in goal with all those players around to sort it out?:sad: