NZ RL try Vs England

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Did anyone see the flick back by the NZ player who lept into the air,crossed the touch line,flicked the ball which was also in mid air,in touch, back into play?The player eventually landed still in touch,but the ball was adjudicated in play.
Same decision in union ?
IMHO as the player landed in touch,then the ball must be a judged to be in touch.
Can anyone confirm?
 

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Did anyone see the flick back by the NZ player who lept into the air,crossed the touch line,flicked the ball which was also in mid air,in touch, back into play?The player eventually landed still in touch,but the ball was adjudicated in play.
Same decision in union ?
IMHO as the player landed in touch,then the ball must be a judged to be in touch.
Can anyone confirm?

In RU, only if the ball had already crossed the plane when it was flicked back in.

In RL, correct decision
 

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This happened twice in my match yesterday. On the first occasion the referee was on the spot and immediately ruled that the ball was in touch.

Despite this, on the second occasion the TJ did not flag. Since it was from a cross-field kick, the referee was too far away to see, so played on. Fortunately it did not matter too much.
 

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Last week , black kicked,ball crossed plane of touch, white wing jumps and knocks ball back into play,but lands with one foot in play and one out.I judged the ball to have been kicked out.
 

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For us this is very simple; all that matters (assuming the player was airborne when he touched the ball) is where he came from. That's all you have to worry about.
 

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For us this is very simple; all that matters (assuming the player was airborne when he touched the ball) is where he came from. That's all you have to worry about.
It's also a much less significant part of the game.
 

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So wait, is there actually a good reason for needing to consult a flowchart before you can confidently make a touch decision that nobody's told me? I follow every one of those threads in the hope that someone will finally come up with one.
 

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So wait, is there actually a good reason for needing to consult a flowchart before you can confidently make a touch decision that nobody's told me? I follow every one of those threads in the hope that someone will finally come up with one.

Yes there is, the good reason is that an AR is directly responsible for making a referee level call, so there had better be consistency within the game at hand.

As opposed to philosophical discussions about consistency in a wider context.
 

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So wait, is there actually a good reason for needing to consult a flowchart before you can confidently make a touch decision that nobody's told me? I follow every one of those threads in the hope that someone will finally come up with one.
You may have noticed that I think the Definitions in Law 19 are badly written. Fortunately the flaws are not common occurrences (though as I said, I did get 2 yesterday - 17 lineouts should have been 18).
 

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For us this is very simple; all that matters (assuming the player was airborne when he touched the ball) is where he came from. That's all you have to worry about.

Thats the RL definition, the RU is where you land,assuming we are talking about a ball that has crossed the plane of touch.
 

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You may have noticed that I think the Definitions in Law 19 are badly written. Fortunately the flaws are not common occurrences (though as I said, I did get 2 yesterday - 17 lineouts should have been 18).

I did; but I'm still not sure how "ball in touch is more important to Union" is a justification for having Heath Robinson write the law that deals with it...
 

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I did; but I'm still not sure how "ball in touch is more important to Union" is a justification for having Heath Robinson write the law that deals with it...
I have never tried to justify the way the law is written, but I do like many of the ideas eg a player in touch being able to knock the ball helps to keep the game flowing and constrains the kicking game. Lineouts play a significant role in the contest for the ball.
 
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