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Off a penalty .
1 if a player shows indication by action that they are going to kick the ball to touch but instead kicks it into the field of play during a penalty kick, does it result in any additional penalty by itself.
2 There is no indication but player walks and kicks in field

in my view there are no specific
penalties for a player showing a kick to touch but kicking it into the field of play unless it is deemed to be deliberately deceptive in a way that violates the spirit of the game. In that case, the referee might issue a warning or other sanction, but this is quite rare.
Law 20.9.
  1. The kicker may kick the ball in any direction.
Law 8.20 If the team indicates to the referee the intention to kick at goal, they must kick at goal. The intention to kick can be communicated to the referee or signalled by the arrival of the kicking tee or sand, or when the player makes a mark on the ground
 
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The only restriction is in relation to a shot at goal ie a shot at goal indicated must result in a genuine shot at goal.

In your scenario 1 there is no issue.
In your scenario 2 provided the kick is taken from or behind the mark there is no issue.

Certain types of kicks are not allowed in a kick for touch.
 

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Certain types of kicks are not allowed in a kick for touch.
potenbtial derail here - apolgies.

We've probably been here before so even more apl;ogies...

A indicate PK kicki at posts.
Place ball.
Kick at goal - clear intent at goal etc - but the wind is so strong it blows the ball into touch.

now - a PK to touch cannot be a place kick.

decision?

(Chopper lives on... apologies for the third time!)
 

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I think that counts as a missed kick at goal....so 22.
 

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I think that counts as a missed kick at goal....so 22.
Ball in touch = 22? I don't think so.

If its a genuine shot and is blown into touch ( or bounces off post into touch) its a lineout throw to kicking team
 

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Ball in touch = 22? I don't think so.

If its a genuine shot and is blown into touch ( or bounces off post into touch) its a lineout throw to kicking team
I hate to ask ....but can you provide a law reference please.
 

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18.8.c:

A player kicks the ball into touch (either directly or first bouncing in the field of play or hitting an opponent or the referee). Where the ball reaches the touchline. The kicking team
 

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18.8.c:

A player kicks the ball into touch (either directly or first bouncing in the field of play or hitting an opponent or the referee). Where the ball reaches the touchline. The kicking team
My gut feeling is that this does not apply to the OP scenario.
 

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Place kick goes to touch, results in scrum at the mark to non-offending.
 

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Thank I think that counts as a missed kick at goal....so 22.
let me rephrase the question

Given a penalty - if a player shows indication by action that they are going to kick the ball to touch but instead can he. Kick into the field of play without going for touch
2 There is no indication but player walks and kicks in field
 

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let me rephrase the question

Given a penalty - if a player shows indication by action that they are going to kick the ball to touch but instead can he. Kick into the field of play without going for touch
2 There is no indication but player walks and kicks in field
Play. Stop trying to make simple things complicated
 

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Place kick goes to touch, results in scrum at the mark to non-offending.
Law refererence?

Th elaw says you can't place kick to touch. That's not the same thing as a place kick at goal that gets carried by the wind.
 

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Law refererence?

Th elaw says you can't place kick to touch. That's not the same thing as a place kick at goal that gets carried by the wind.
My inclination is lineout to the non-kicking side.

If the ball hit the ground at all, mark is where it went out.

If the ball went straight out, mark is where the kick was.
 

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let me rephrase the question

Given a penalty - if a player shows indication by action that they are going to kick the ball to touch but instead can he. Kick into the field of play without going for touch
2 There is no indication but player walks and kicks in field
Yes and yes
 

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again without meaning to derail the thread, my basic daft question has elicited four different answers, from sensible people :)

- a drop out
- a lineout to kicking team
- a lineout to non kicking team
- a scrum to non kicking team

what a great game :)
 

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again without meaning to derail the thread, my basic daft question has elicited four different answers, from sensible people :)

- a drop out
- a lineout to kicking team
- a lineout to non kicking team
- a scrum to non kicking team

what a great game :)
Here's one more: when it happens I'll let you know what I did 😀
 

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Law refererence?

Th elaw says you can't place kick to touch. That's not the same thing as a place kick at goal that gets carried by the wind.
The law allows a place kick, that kick just can't go to touch. If ball goes to touch from place kick, go to sanction

The Sanction is listed, somewhat hidden and not obviously apparent, below 20.11.
 
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Clarification 2 of 2006 is probably the closest we come to getting an answer.
Dickie E is correct (ish).
 

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again without meaning to derail the thread, my basic daft question has elicited four different answers, from sensible people :)

- a drop out
- a lineout to kicking team
- a lineout to non kicking team
- a scrum to non kicking team

what a great game :)
well if it ever happens to me, i'm going for LO to the non-kicking team. With absolute conviction and certainty.
 
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