[Law] Penalty kicked over dead ball line

[Joe@trfc]

Hi,

Blue team awarded a penalty on Reds 10 metre line.
Blue takes the penalty with gusto and it goes through Reds dead ball area and over the dead ball line.

I awarded a 22 metre drop out, should it have been a scrum where the penalty was taken?

 

[Flish]

Assuming kick from hand not place kick, then options, scrum back or 22 - I did exactly the same thing a few weeks back

 

[Decorily]

Presuming it wasn’t a kick at goal....
Then options 22 or scrum.

 

[Phil E]

I awarded a 22 metre drop out, should it have been a scrum where the penalty was taken?

As others have already pointed out, it should have been a choice of either.

[LAWS]Law 21
BALL KICKED DEAD THROUGH IN-GOAL
12. If a team kicks the ball through their opponents’ in-goal from the field of play into touchin-
goal or on or over the dead-ball line, the defending team can choose :
a. To have a drop-out anywhere on or behind the 22-metre line; or
b. To have a scrum at the place where the ball was kicked.
Exception : An unsuccessful kick at goal or attempted dropped goal. In these cases, the
defending team restarts with a 22-metre drop-out.[/LAWS]

 

[SimonSmith]

Was it a place kick at goal? I'm not clear from the OP if it was or not

 

[Joe@trfc]

Thanks everyone

I thought, as it was a penalty, the Blue team should get some advantage.

I can't see why a kick at goal should be special

 

[crossref]

the scrum back option is because WR want to discourage long range speculative kicks into the opponent's in goal, or (if it wasn't there) kicks designed specifically just to force a 22'

but they don't want to discourage attempts at goal, so no scrum back option for them

 

[chbg]

And not just over the dead-ball line either - it is the same for touch-in-goal (as Law 21.12 states). So a PK from hand that just goes the wrong side of the GL/Touch flag results in options (22 or scrum), rather than the 5m LO it would have been if successful.

 

[Marc Wakeham]

Thanks everyone

I thought, as it was a penalty, the Blue team should get some advantage.

I can't see why a kick at goal should be special

By definition, A kick at goal should have enough "wellie" to take it into in-goal if not through or out the other side. It would be totally against the spirit of the game to, effectively, "double penalise" a failed attempt at goal.