plane of the goal-line

[crossref]

Red kicks the ball towards the Blue goal-line.
A Blue defender with one foot on the goal line picks up the ball which was in motion within the field of play and grounds the ball in-goal.

Decision ?

 

[Pinky]

Depends whether it go to the plane of the goal line or not. If so then put in goal by red and 22 DO. If not taken in by blue and 5m attacking scrum

 

[crossref]

"Within the field of play" means it hadnt crossed the plane..

 

[Treadmore]

22 DO

Probably, according to the law exam...

 

[crossref]

22 DO

Probably, according to the law exam...

:biggrin: is that what you think the right answer is, or what you guess the law exam says ?

 

[Christy]

Scrum for me .

 

[Flish]

Isn’t that taken back by blue so scrum 5 now?

 

[Decorily]

Isn’t that taken back by blue so scrum 5 now?

Yes....now it is.

 

[tewdric]

22 DO - if the players foot is in goal then they are in goal. Makes for a common sense decision too.

 

[Decorily]

22 DO - if the players foot is in goal then they are in goal. Makes for a common sense decision too.

Yes the player is in ingoal...but they have taken the ball back in so scrum 5.

 

[tewdric]

But they are in goal when they catch it, so haven't taken it in.

 

[ChuckieB]

Was part of the law clarification guidelines 5-2016 that arose from the changes to touch definitions

 

[Decorily]

But they are in goal when they catch it, so haven't taken it in.

They are in goal but the ball was not when caught/picked up so they have taken it back. 5m scrum

 

[Flish]

But they are in goal when they catch it, so haven't taken it in.

Same as touch, if your foot is on the line you are deemed to have taken it into touch, not your ball, same logic here

 

[Decorily]

I suspect (given the original poster)and the fact that the question mentions that the ball was still in motion that the Law Exam site is outdated and incorrect and a point is being made to reinforce an argument being made elsewhere! !

 

[crossref]

I suspect (given the original poster)and the fact that the question mentions that the ball was still in motion that the Law Exam site is outdated and incorrect and a point is being made to reinforce an argument being made elsewhere! !

well, also, before accusing WR of a mistake, I wanted to be double sure that what I thought was the answer (5m scrum) was actually the correct one..

it is , and WR have made a mistake

 

[tewdric]

The law still says if any part of a player is in goal then they are regarded as being in goal. They can't have taken it in by that logic so the "natural justice" common sense decision of rewarding the skill and accuracy with a 22 is surely the right one?

 

[Treadmore]

:biggrin: is that what you think the right answer is, or what you guess the law exam says ?

I had to fudge the answer to pass that section ;-)

 

[Treadmore]

The law still says if any part of a player is in goal then they are regarded as being in goal. They can't have taken it in by that logic so the "natural justice" common sense decision of rewarding the skill and accuracy with a 22 is surely the right one?

Or reward the skill and accuracy of the kicker who didn’t put it in-goal?

 

[Christy]

The law still says if any part of a player is in goal then they are regarded as being in goal. They can't have taken it in by that logic so the "natural justice" common sense decision of rewarding the skill and accuracy with a 22 is surely the right one?

Hi tewdric.
The player being ( in goal ) .
Is not the same as the ball being ( in goal )

If a defender with 1 foot in goal / on goal line & 1 foot in field of play .
He is deemed to be in goal .
If he catches or picks up a ball that has not crossed the goal line .
That same player , if he decides to ground the ball in goal ,
He is deemed to of taken the ball into in goal .
This is what the law states .

As a referee , i would suggest not to use rewarding a skill set of a player or team .
As a thought process of what makes natural justice / common sense.
Its easier to use the laws .

The only time this is different . ( the law bit )
Is if a player making a mark from opponents kick , inside his own 22 with 1 foot other side of 22.
If this ball is caught .( before it crosses the 22 )
It is deemed to be caught inside his 22 & therefore he can now have a 22 drop out .
Hope that helps .