Scot v Eng Kick out of SH hands

[AlanT]

Scottish player takes ball out of ruck under the England posts. Ball then in hand about a foot off the ground. England [onside] player kicks ball out of Scottish player's hands.

Penalty to Scotland?

Instead England win ball, go down field, Scottish player gets YC, England get 3 points and win.

Thoughts?

 

[Skids]

Scottish player takes ball out of ruck under the England posts. Ball then in hand about a foot off the ground. England [onside] player kicks ball out of Scottish player's hands.

Penalty to Scotland?

Instead England win ball, go down field, Scottish player gets YC, England get 3 points and win.

Thoughts?

Yeaaaay........England win!




























What?

 

[ddjamo]

I remember that striking me as odd when I saw it happen. maybe it wasn't quite a foot and I do remember the hands on/foot being almost simultaneous. I know for sure that it was not even close to dangerous.

 

[SimonSmith]

I deleted the game last night. I was not paying 100% attention.

Any video?

 

[gwgs]

I deleted the game last night. I was not paying 100% attention.

Any video?

iPlayer link

 

[Dixie]

iPlayer link

Probably as much use to a Virginian as an acting lesson to Doug McClure. Interesting to have, but not going to improve thins much.

 

[SimonSmith]

The Virginian



Doug McClure

I am neither of these.
I am a Scot living in Virginia. Although I say "y'all" a lot. And eat barbeque.
Maybe I AM a Virginian after all!

 

[Casey Bee]

iPlayer link

Anyone got a time reference for incident please???

 

[Treadmore]

around 53:50 in the game

 

[ckuxmann]

I think I remember the ref not seeing it?

 

[Account Deleted]

Ref does not seem to see it. Looks a PK to Scotland to me. Fairly close call.

 

[JohnP]

OK didn't remember that but why would it be a penalty?
I ask partly because in our last game we had a try disallowed with the ball being kicked out of our players hands as he went over the line. I'd thought that wasn't allowed but didn't have time to ask the ref post game for clarification.

 

[Phil E]

OK didn't remember that but why would it be a penalty?
I ask partly because in our last game we had a try disallowed with the ball being kicked out of our players hands as he went over the line. I'd thought that wasn't allowed but didn't have time to ask the ref post game for clarification.

There is a specific law to cover that scenario:

Law 22.4
(e) Tackled near the goal line. If a player is tackled near to the opponents’ goal line so that
this player can immediately reach out and ground the ball on or over the goal line, a try is
scored.
(f) In this situation, defending players who are on their feet may legally prevent the try by
pulling the ball from the tackled player’s hands or arms, but must not kick the ball.

However there is no specific law to cover kicking the ball out of a players hands in other areas of play.

The question you would then have to ask yourself is "was it dangerous?".

 

[crossref]

The question you would then have to ask yourself is "was it dangerous?".

Also the circs, and who it is..

- I don't let them kick the ball out of the SH's hands as I think : allow it once and both teams will have plenty of opportunities to try and do the same thing again and again, which can be flashpoint, and likely to become dangerous, even if it wasn't particularly the first time.

in more open play it's a really one off, and it's unlikely to happen again, can be judged on its merits and what you saw.

but even if it wasn't dangerous, and you let it go, it's the sort of thing I might mention later, just say it is sailing close to the wind.

 

[Lee Lifeson-Peart]

The question you would then have to ask yourself is "was it dangerous?".

I thought it was "do I feel lucky?"

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[Ian_Cook]

I thought it was "do I feel lucky?"

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Well.... do ya.... punk!?

 

[Davet]

It's a revolver, the 6-shot drum turns anti-clockwise, from shooter's pov, before firing, presenting the round to the top as the hammer cocks back, then firing. The chamber under the hammer will be empty. You can see two chambers empty on the right as you look, there is one chamber hidden right at the bottom.

You need to move your head to the left and see if there is glint of brass in either of the two chamber on the left from your pov - if there's nothing then you could be lucky.

Or I could be wrong.

 

[Phil E]

You need to move your head to the left and see if there is glint of brass in either of the two chamber

Why would you see brass?
The head of the bullet will be lead, which isn't glinty.

So you're dead!

 

[Robert Burns]

Why would you see brass?
The head of the bullet will be lead, which isn't glinty.

So you're dead!

Tis a good point!

 

[Davet]

The round will be coated.