I’m glad this discussion is now addressing the key points.not sure why you're focussing on the plane of touch. It would have been play on if player had landed in FoP regardless of plane of touch. So only question to the AR is did the player land in, or not in, touch. Law 18:
The knock on did occur before time was up. But the scrum isn’t awarded until after and there is nothing in the laws that allows him to go back to that advantage. And this is nothing to do with Bristol vs Leicester or the whys/ wherefores. It’s about us clarifying and if necessary learning how to apply the law book to real life situations.The ref stated quite clearly that the knock on occurred before the clock went dead so the scrum would take place.
Should add that Bristol butchered a chance to end the game when they were in front, by kicking the ball away with less than a minute on the clock. There’s a reason the stats say they can’t close games out.
it might be me being dim, but what do you mean by this? time is up when the clock hits 80 minutes, but that shouldn't have any bearing on making the right decision surely? either we should give the scrum in this scenario or we shouldn't, the fact that nobody else knows the exact time shouldn't make a difference.
The point I was trying to make was that the knock-on happened (initiated) while the ball had crossed the the plane of touch. Therefore play couldn’t continue surely? The knock-on was in touch.
Surely the scrum is ‘awarded’ the second that sir sticks his arm out and communicates the offence that has a scrum sanction, which was before 80 mins as I understand it, he then allows to play to continue to see If anything more advantageous came along, it didn’t, so we have the scrum.The knock on did occur before time was up. But the scrum isn’t awarded until after and there is nothing in the laws that allows him to go back to that advantage. And this is nothing to do with Bristol vs Leicester or the whys/ wherefores. It’s about us clarifying and if necessary learning how to apply the law book to real life situations.
Granted as stated above 99.99% of us (maybe more) will never have to apply it, but it’s nice to know what is meant to happen on TV or at a live game.
I’ve never heard anyone call “we’ll take it” for fear of running out of time and losing the restart?
is that your interpretation, or is that backed up by law or clarification?Maybe you will now ! The clock doesn't stop for advantage, so it makes sense that it's part of the game time, and so son't waste it as it runs out.