Tackle off Feet - Diving to Score

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Mipper said:
Thats interesting Mark, I wasnt aware of this. To be clear, I did not award the PT from KO as the PT was awarded instead.

However, let's suppose that PT was not part of it, ie the try was scored under the posts.

Lets accept also that the high tackle was worthy of a yellow card on its own - which it was, regardless of the PT question.

Does this mean that Try is scored, Yellow Card is issued, Conversion taken and then Restart as usual with the 'sanctioned' team taking the kick?
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Correct, except you can still award the PT and the conversion simply doesn't happen. It is rare that a conversion taken from under the black dot is missed, but I'd still award the PT.
 
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I suppose another way of putting it is that you have played advantage, if the offence occurred prior to the try being scored, and advantage was gained. So therefore you are free to issue a card if in your opinion it was warranted and continue with the game as such.
 
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Mipper said:
Does this mean that Try is scored, Yellow Card is issued, Conversion taken and then Restart as usual with the 'sanctioned' team taking the kick?
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Yes it does
 
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I'll try :)

Blow whistle.
Call both captains.
explain what you are about to do
YC perp.
Run under posts
Award PT.
Team scored against restarts with a drop kick on half way
caveat: time is now off for a half.
 
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Marc Wakeham said:
To answer I have to repeat part of my last answer:

You can only award a Penalty in place of the KO if the offence is AFTER the try is scored. SoOrry, but I am not sure how else to put it.
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No Marc, you do not 'have to repeat' as the simple answer would have been 'Yes'.

To repeat yourself, and indeed to iterate that you are repeating yourself, infers a patronising response. Which I am sure you don't intend.
 
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smeagol said:
Correct, except you can still award the PT and the conversion simply doesn't happen. It is rare that a conversion taken from under the black dot is missed, but I'd still award the PT.
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Hmmm. Why would you award a PT if a try was scored under the posts?
 
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Mipper said:
No Marc, you do not 'have to repeat' as the simple answer would have been 'Yes'.

To repeat yourself, and indeed to iterate that you are repeating yourself, infers a patronising response. Which I am sure you don't intend.
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You can infer what you wish.
 
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Not sure I see the criteria met here to award a PT. I would love to still give the PK on the 50m instead of kickoff, as that feels most just to me, but indeed the laws don't allow such in this scenario. YC for the tackler?...perhaps justified, but l personally prefer not to escalate that easily if I don't need to.
 
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jdeagro said:
Not sure I see the criteria met here to award a PT. I would love to still give the PK on the 50m instead of kickoff, as that feels most just to me, but indeed the laws don't allow such in this scenario. YC for the tackler?...perhaps justified, but l personally prefer not to escalate that easily if I don't need to.
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If you do go PT you have to escalate to a YC though. The point being if the YC is warrented use it. Don't hold back for fear of "escalating that easily".

The reason you don't give a PK at the restart is, surely that the non-offending team would be getting the penny and the bun.

Let's move the offence to on the ball carriers 22. Let's say there is a high tackle but the ball carrier get's his pass away and you signal advantage. Two passes latter the winger hoofs the ball from his 10 mtr line in to the opposition 22, with the ball going into touch 15 mtrs out from the goal line.
I'm guessing you'd call advantage over. Do you give the PK as well as the advantage? Of course not. The whole point is you played advantage and it was gained the game kept movng (now by all means give the high tackler a card if it is warranted). This is exactly what has happened in the OP's scenario. You have played advantage (even if it happened too quickly to actually call it) and the non-offending side has take full advantage.There is no justification in playing a successful advantage AND awarding the pk that would have applied if advantage had not been gained.
 
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This. Or putting it another way..

the advantage IS the penalty
 
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There seems to be a feeling that not awarding a try under the posts but instead awarding a Penalty Try is acceptable. I'll be honest, I don't see a situation where I would do this as it seems to me to be overly pedantic.

That said perhaps I will face this dilemna, and I may feel differently, it is just that I have never seen it happen, nor have I ever seen a situation where it has been possible.
 
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Marc Wakeham said:
If you do go PT you have to escalate to a YC though. The point being if the YC is warrented use it. Don't hold back for fear of "escalating that easily".
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Are you saying in this particular instance or always that a PT = YC for the offender(s)? Also, why?
 
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jdeagro said:
Are you saying in this particular instance or always that a PT = YC for the offender(s)? Also, why?
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Law 8.3:
A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts if foul play by the opposing team prevents a probable try from being scored, or scored in a more advantageous position. A player guilty of this must be cautioned and temporarily suspended or sent off. No conversion is attempted.


So I've always interpreted as if you award a PT you must issue a YC.
 
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That is the way I have read it and been told by advisors.
If you can't ID the culprit, i.e. front row going down at a push over try, the choose someone but basically someone has to go for a sit down
 
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DocP said:
That is the way I have read it and been told by advisors.
If you can't ID the culprit, i.e. front row going down at a push over try, the choose someone but basically someone has to go for a sit down
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It's always the tight head ;)
 
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