Talking points from England v Wales V2

[winchesterref]

Just for notes at the moment, will try and find video clips tomorrow

1) Joe Marler elbow
2) Joe Marler alleged racial abuse
3) CJ warning to Wales in 1st half and no follow up YC (not sure there should have been myself)
4) Alleged gouge from Wales 18 and TMO/CJ process

Any others?

 

[didds]

Re: Talking points from England v Wales

If 2) is true then life ban.

No place for it.

Didds

PS I was watching in the players lounge in the Stoop so didn't hear any commentary and there are things that you just don't "get" in these circumstances. I knew nothing of this!

 

[RobLev]

Re: Talking points from England v Wales

Just for notes at the moment, will try and find video clips tomorrow

1) Joe Marler elbow
2) Joe Marler alleged racial abuse
3) CJ warning to Wales in 1st half and no follow up YC (not sure there should have been myself)
4) Alleged gouge from Wales 18 and TMO/CJ process

Any others?

Wynne-Jones's apparent attempted stamp on Haskell's head (57:32 on game clock)?

Obstruction releasing Faletau for the third try?

 

[Pegleg]

Re: Talking points from England v Wales

Just for notes at the moment, will try and find video clips tomorrow

1) Joe Marler elbow
2) Joe Marler alleged racial abuse
3) CJ warning to Wales in 1st half and no follow up YC (not sure there should have been myself)
4) Alleged gouge from Wales 18 and TMO/CJ process

Any others?

1) I heard there was a possible citing for another prop.I guess it must be this but did not watch all the game so
can't comment specifically until video is watched.

2) Totally unacceptable if true. Any evidence to support suggestion?

3) Unable to comment. Was listening on radio until 6-0 so don't know the trend. What did the warning say?

4) RED all the way for me Francis a very stupid lad. I trust a long ban will follow.

Wynne-Jones's apparent attempted stamp on Haskell's head (57:32 on game clock)?

Obstruction releasing Faletau for the third try?

1) I assume you mean Alun-Wyn Jones and not Wynne-Jones I'll take a look later.

2) Got home just before the last two tries. I did not see a problem in real time.

 

[Pedro]

Re: Talking points from England v Wales

There's footage on Twitter of Marler calling someone a "gypsie boy". I guess it depends where you stand on these things as to how severe you think it is, but definitely no need for it in the pitch.

 

[RobLev]

Re: Talking points from England v Wales

1) I heard there was a possible citing for another prop.I guess it must be this but did not watch all the game so
can't comment specifically until video is watched.

2) Totally unacceptable if true. Any evidence to support suggestion?

3) Unable to comment. Was listening on radio until 6-0 so don't know the trend. What did the warning say?

4) RED all the way for me Francis a very stupid lad. I trust a long ban will follow.

1) Didn't watch until into 2nd half; do we have a time?
2) Agree; do we have any context?
3) See above.
4) Agree.

1) I assume you mean Alun-Wyn Jones and not Wynne-Jones I'll take a look later.

2) Got home just before the last two tries. I did not see a problem in real time.

1) Oops; yes.

2) The other player fends off a second attempted tackler.

 

[dave_clark]

Re: Talking points from England v Wales

although Care wouldn't have stopped Faletau, so any obstruction was immaterial IMO.

 

[RobLev]

Re: Talking points from England v Wales

although Care wouldn't have stopped Faletau, so any obstruction was immaterial IMO.

Not on his own, possibly; but he wouldn't have been on his own. Adding him to the tackle might have stopped him. In any event, does your guess as to how well a player will tackle, as opposed to whether he'd get there for the tackle, affect materiality. Surely the benefit of any doubt goes to the obstructed player?

 

[winchesterref]

Re: Talking points from England v Wales

Not on his own, possibly; but he wouldn't have been on his own. Adding him to the tackle might have stopped him. In any event, does your guess as to how well a player will tackle, as opposed to whether he'd get there for the tackle, affect materiality. Surely the benefit of any doubt goes to the obstructed player?

I asked this! For example a prop chasing a winger - do we say he's too slow and wouldn't have got there anyway? What about winger chasing prop?

 

[Pegleg]

Re: Talking points from England v Wales

On first look they more ran into each other. 6 of one and all that. A second look could well change my mind.

 

[Pegleg]

Re: Talking points from England v Wales

I seem to remember this comment from 2 weeks ago Hmmmmmmm!

Dreadful game!

Scrums a mare.

Lydiate still "chopping" with no arms.

France terrible with Wales not a lot better. Surely nothing for England to fear from either side on that showing.

Nice try.

Perhaps I was not on a wind up.

 

[L'irlandais]

Re: Talking points from England v Wales

There's footage on Twitter of Marler calling someone a "gypsie boy". I guess it depends where you stand on these things as to how severe you think it is, but definitely no need for it in the pitch.

BBC had this to say

video link in this newspaper article, insult can be clearly heard over ref's mike.

 

[Rawling]

Re: Talking points from England v Wales

Verbal abuse of a player based on religion, race, colour, national or ethnic origin, sexual orientation or otherwise carries a minimum sanction of a four-week suspension.

Calls for a life ban may be a teensy bit overstated if that is really the case.

 

[Taff]

Re: Talking points from England v Wales

Calls for a life ban may be a teensy bit overstated if that is really the case.

Exactly.

 

[Pegleg]

Re: Talking points from England v Wales

That's not a life ban but yes 4 weeks minimum fair enough.

 

[TheBFG]

As the other thread has just turned into a Daily Mail / Guardian reading convention......:wtf:

So the other points from the Eng v Wales game......

The "gouge" CJ hung out by TMO? My thoughts were, it has to be a RC or nothing?

The North in touch/not in touch, a lot of Welsh still think Webb would have scored, I think MI would have folding him in half :biggrin:

 

[crossref]

the photos seem to show GN wasn't in touch!

I wonder if the AR had any doubt in his mind, if so better to keep his flag down. If a try results, can go back to the TMO anyway.

 

[TheBFG]

Oh I agree he wasn't in touch, but once the whistle had gone, play was over and am I right in thinking there's no TMO for this?

 

[crossref]

play wasn't over, we had the lineout.

 

[Rawling]

I've heard several people say our second FK for early engagement at the scrum should've been a PK, and one person (when pressed) say there's a directive out that every repeat FK infringement should be escalated to a PK.

Have any of you heard of that being the case?