I would think if opponents are generally in position and the throwing team throw in when their own players are offside or otherwise infringing, they get pinged and their impetuousness has cost them.What does have to be in place ?
Throwing team either in line or all 10m back ?
Defending team either in line or 10m back ?
Defending hooker in tramlines?
All of the above? None of the above ?
Ye.e.e.e.sss... but that only reflected common practise anyway AIUI. In that if the ball was thrown in before the oppo had a chance to equal numbers, refs would sensibly just ignore the requirement for equal numbers - at least thats what I gleaned form these pages/forums.There was a subtle law change a few years ago that went along these lines:
previously - the throwing team had to allow their opponents sufficient time to match numbers
now - the throwing team doesn't have to allow their opponents time to match numbers but the opponents haven't committed an offence if they didn't have time.
So is it necessary to make sure the ref is ready ?The times a quickly taken lineout has happened in my games (not very often).
The attacking team are all set, lineout formed, backs 10m away, all ready to go.
The defenders have their backs more or less inline, but the forwards are milling about at the line of touch, trying to decide who is on and who is out. Some are on the line of touch, some are still trying to decide.
The attacking hooker then usually asks "can we go sir?"
To which I answer "yes" because there is no basis in law to stop them. In fact the wording of the law makes it legal as I have already quoted.
That's where I started this Crossref, so for me yes .So is it necessary to make sure the ref is ready ?
i wonder if Scotland asked/warned BOK ? (they certainly didn't warn the AR )That's where I started this Crossref, so for me yes .
Attacking team ready, I've made mark and moved to my position, so if I wasn't ready we can't go or I'd ask them to go again.
As Phil E said., teams usualy ask "can we go sir"
It was weird, I think normal practice for an AR is to make a mark and then stand back... and which comes back to my question earlier... why does the AR/TJ stay on the touchline once they've made a mark (and not even that if they are to leave it to the ref to make a TL mark, or not bother etc) ?
FTFYSo can I summarise the discussion by saying that
When 2 players from each team arrive at the line of touch
The ball now cannot be thrown in backwards from behind the line of touch, as QTI not possible
But also at the same moment
The ball now can be throw in straight along the line of touch, as lineout is formed
yes, they are different.
Another difference of course, it may be (see above) that the player has to ask the ref if he can go, before he can take a quickly taken lineout (?)
Q: when taking a line out quickly, when no one is expecting it, can the hooker throw the ball to himself ?