Value of the PMB?

[Stu10]

Discussion topic for everyone... what is the value of the PMB when dealing with experienced players? Players already know we will use CBS at a scrum, they know they should have long binds, the scrum-half knows the ball should be straight, the fly-half knows he should maintain offside lines at first phase ball, they all know what picture we want to see at a breakdown, etc. Do players fully engage and listen during a PMB?

This was a topic of discussion at a recent Society meeting. There was unanimous agreement that the PMB should be an opportunity for both teams to ask questions and seek any clarifications from the referee, but many felt there was little gained from reciting the laws to experienced players.

 

[Dickie E]

An important part for me is getting to know the captain for example is he the clear leader or just someone who has been pressed into the job

 

[didds]

If you say it in the PMB, NO-ONE can EVER then say "but you didn't SAY so".

THAT I'd suggest is the power of the PMB

 

[SimonSmith]

If you don't brief the front row, and someone does something bad, and there's a disaster, your lack of a brief will get mentioned, and not to your credit.

I think it's chance to sell to the teams. I've seen some referees deliver one, and the players were unimpressed - lost them before kick off. Equally I've seen some where rapport was built that the referee could fall back on during the game. "That wasn't what we agreed lads" "Sorry sir" and problem solved.

THere are 4 teams here, and 2 referees. I therefore see the same teams and captains. A lot. Still PMB them.

 

[crossref]

Front row briefing mandatory
I tell them how I mark lineout (because all refs do it different) and when the ball is out (ditto)
And that's basically it. Any questions?

 

[Decorily]

Front row briefing mandatory

Mandatory for you or for them??
What do you do when they decline to be briefed?

 

[crossref]

Mandatory for you or for them??
What do you do when they decline to be briefed?

Gosh that's something I have never thought of . Have you had that happen?

That would be a tricky situation

 

[Decorily]

Gosh that's something I have never thought of . Have you had that happen?

That would be a tricky situation

It hasn't happened me....but to be fair I never approach it like I'm 'entitled ' to speak to them (FR, 9 or anyone else ) because I know I'm not entitled! !

I always approach it casually and more make myself available to them than anything else.

 

[Dickie E]

Mandatory for you or for them??
What do you do when they decline to be briefed?

We also have to check with forwards that they have been trained in MAYDAY

I wouldn't start the game if a team declined the PMB

 

[Decorily]

We also have to check with forwards that they have been trained in MAYDAY

I wouldn't start the game if a team declined the PMB

No MAYDAY in this neck of the woods.

Edit.....

Are you also supposed to check that they are suitably trained for FR?

 

[crossref]

So now I am looking for some reference on the PMB, and that it is mandatory. And can't find it.

 

[Decorily]

So now I am looking for some reference on the PMB, and that it is mandatory. And can't find it.

I don't believe you will find it unless some local regulations apply.

 

[crossref]

I don't believe you will find it unless some local regulations apply.

Perhaps I have fallen for a referee's urban myth.

 

[chbg]

I think that you will find that your Society requires you to do it as best practice. Probably not written down, but I reckon that you will always get the same answer if you asked.

 

[Decorily]

I think that you will find that your Society requires you to do it as best practice. Probably not written down, but I reckon that you will always get the same answer if you asked.

Not mine.

 

[Marc Wakeham]

Mandatory for you or for them??
What do you do when they decline to be briefed?

Game does not start.

 

[Decorily]

Game does not start.

On what basis?

 

[Marc Wakeham]

Our instructions are very clear. It is mandatory here. So no PMB I am not doing the game. If they are not interested fine they can stand there and recite "Dinah" in their heads. I'm doing it and I'll use the "We spoke about it before the game..." line.

There again, sides around here are not that stupid.

 

[crossref]

I think that you will find that your Society requires you to do it as best practice. Probably not written down, but I reckon that you will always get the same answer if you asked.

I think so too, but I am perplexed that I can't find that written down anywhere... Can you ?

 

[crossref]

Our instructions are very clear. It is mandatory here.

Is that written down in Wales ?