My comment wasn't in response to you but to L'Irlandais
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My comment wasn't in response to you but to L'Irlandais
Phil just raises more questions than he answers
What's the story here ?
Taffy, what happened here? Why didn't you go back for the touch once you realised the TJs flag was up? Did you overrule the TJ or what?
I overruled him.
I felt that I should have made the call earlier and by the time I had realised thought "We'll just go with it".
I remember this happening in a Varsity match in the days when the previous year's captains ran touch. Oxford scored a try, but it was called back because their own TJ still had his flag up near half-way.If you award a try then see the TJ flag up on halfway you can/should still go back for the lineout.
I'd be interested in teasing this out a bit more to understand your thought process more fully.I overruled him. In hindsight I should have gone back. As he raised his flag lots of the players were shouting "Sir". "Sir". I had had my fill of the dissent and shouting by then and just let it play on.
the problem is that, in this field position, it was the chanters who benefited from the time-out.
And did Phil speak to you regarding the flag up when you awarded the try? civilly or otherwise?
didds
As has been mentioned, Green are in the ascendant here, with considerable space out wide. I did wonder which captain had raised the issue with you after the game:I am right in front of the post, Green are raring to go and about ten of the white team are under the posts facing the attackers and start calling the "set", ready to launch themselves at the attackers.
Phil's involvement confirms that it was White, but by calming the situation down, you have allowed White to re-organise to Green's detriment.I explained to the captain after the match in the bar that I would post this and see what the response was.
L'Irlandais, I think you are in danger of straying into an area where personal likes and dislikes colour your application of what should be objective law. The law reference you quote actually says:There is a vast difference between announcing a defensive play, and aggressive chanting from 10 players.
For me that's unfair behavior (especially following on from repeated dissent.) & I think worthy of a penalty.
Law reference 22.17(c)
because you were done with their appeals you decided to play on, regardless of whether or not the TJ was correct.
Correct
Did you call "play on" loudly?
Correct
Personally Taffy I find that troubling. If the TJ has his flag up, you give touch UNLESS you know for a fact he is in error. The actions of the players, in this specific regard, do not mean that you allow your feelings to override the facts. That smacks a bit of trying to teach them a lesson, and not doing so by legitimate means.
You may have mitigated things a tad by calling "play on", but if I understood what you did with the TJ, I find that to be anathema to what's central to our role as a referee.
I got it wrong
But it's all gone in the learning pot.
I got it wrong
But it's all gone in the learning pot.
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