Why not?But cant over reach his team mates , to put ball at back of his side of maul
I’m a new ref, appreciate some guidance on this point. To what extent can a defender who is ‘caught in’ to the centre of a maul, reach over to try to rip the ball, ie one arm or two?
Why not?
I believe its called long arm placements / similar .
Its been a penaly for last couple of seasons .
So they guy in middle can reach over & take ball from opposition ( who would be in front of him ).
But he can only pass the ball , to his own team mate , who is bound to him self also .
So a long arm placement to his team mate ( he stretches over 1 player & gives to player further back )
This is now a penalty .
I beleive there are videos on world rugby web page ..
And how frequently do we see (mainly second row) players using 2 arms, or alternate arms, to grab the rearmost players in a maul? There cannot be properly bound yet are allowed to do this. Any ideas why?
And how frequently do we see (mainly second row) players using 2 arms, or alternate arms, to grab the rearmost players in a maul? There cannot be properly bound yet are allowed to do this. Any ideas why?
How many of you would PK a white player caught in a maul, that grabbed the ball form a red player (reached over) and passed it back to his #9 ie missing his own players bound behind him?
Seems a tough call in these circumstances - surely that isn't what the long reach law is to prevent?
didds
How many of you would PK a white player caught in a maul, that grabbed the ball form a red player (reached over) and passed it back to his #9 ie missing his own players bound behind him?
Seems a tough call in these circumstances - surely that isn't what the long reach law is to prevent?
didds
The 'Long Reach' to which a few have referred only pertains to the initial set up.
By way of back ground, a few years back it was normal for the catcher in the line out to pass the ball all the way back to the hindmost man - usually the #2 - in the maul. This would bypass both the supporters/lifters and the other line out players. i was argued - quite rightly (by FFR IIRC) - that this action was illegal since the the support players were creating a block for the defenders and so were offside.
After consideration WR deemed that this action was indeed illegal and required that the ball be passed back from player to player. It was also the time that they clarified about the 'slipping back' on the driving maul and reiterated that all joining players must bind on behind the ball carrier (although I notice that in recent Internationals and Premiership matches that this is not really being penalised)
Hope this all helps?
Exactly. Players in the maul can be "caught in" I think the wording is, rather than bind onto the maul itself.They are probably bound in to the maul by other players.