Equally I have to agree with you that this is done deal - that was clear from the brief as given to the university types. I tried hard to ask Gary questions but he was having none of it. I'm holding judgement until I see a few months of it running. Always happy if you want to email - iandmilligan@btinternet.com or chat 07809671625 it's good to get different views of things - Have been looking at your stuff on 2v1 too.