Ball thrown beyond the lineout

[Steve70]

When can players not in the line-out come off the 10m offside line, if the hooker throws intentionally beyond 15m? Is it once the ball has passed the 15m line? Or is it as soon as the ball has left his hands?

 

[The Fat]

When can players not in the line-out come off the 10m offside line, if the hooker throws intentionally beyond 15m? Is it once the ball has passed the 15m line? Or is it as soon as the ball has left his hands?

As soon as the ball has left the thrower's hands. However, if the ball does not go beyond the 15m line from the throw, then the player/players who ran forward must be penalised for being offside.

 

[Steve70]

Thanks

 

[FlipFlop]

As soon as the ball has left the thrower's hands. However, if the ball does not go beyond the 15m line from the throw, then the player/players who ran forward must be penalised for being offside.

It is not MUST be penalised. It is maybe penalised.

 

[Phil E]

It is not MUST be penalised. It is maybe penalised.

The law says MUST.

[LAWS](f) Long throw-in. If the player who is throwing in throws the ball beyond the 15-metre line, a
player taking part in the lineout may run infield beyond the 15-metre line as soon as the ball
leaves the hands of the player throwing in.
If this happens, an opponent may also run infield. If a player runs infield to take a long throw
in, and the ball is not thrown beyond the 15-metre line, this player is offside and must be
penalised.
Sanction: Penalty kick on the 15-metre line[/LAWS]

 

[Rich_NL]

That's different - a player in the lineout. OP was talking about players not in the lineout, at 10m. Running backwards out of the lineout as soon as the ball's left the hooker's hands is almost certainly going to have an effect on play.

 

[The Fat]

It is not MUST be penalised. It is maybe penalised.

19.15 Offside when not taking part in the lineout
(c) Long throw in. If the player who is throwing in throws the ball beyond the 15-metre line, a player of the same team may run forward to take the ball as soon as the ball leaves the hands of the player throwing in. If that player does so, opponents may also run forward. If a player runs forward to take a long throw in, and the ball is not thrown beyond the 15-metre line, this player is offside and must be penalised.

Sanction: Penalty kick on the offending team’s offside line, opposite the place of infringement, at least 15 metres from the touchl

 

[Thunderhorse1986]

The law states we "must" penalise the player. But surely there is still room for management here? If a player steps out of the 15 briefly and then back in with the ball actually going to the middle or front of the lineout, or starts to approach the LOT from the backline, but quickly retreats back onside before having a material impact then we don't penalise this immediately... we manage it and maybe have a word at the next stoppage.

 

[Dixie]

There are four clear separate demarcations of the offside line at the lineout, and two not-so-clear ones. The obvious ones are:

a) front of the lineout - a forward (not a thrower or his immediate oppo) stepping into the 5m channel
b) Back of the lineout - a forward stepping over the 15m line
c) 10m back from the LOT on thrower's team - Non-participants overstepping this line
d) 10m back from the LOT non-thrower's team - Non-participants overstepping this line

The not-so-clear ones apply to forwards on either team leaving the lineout early by retreating. It's not so clear how far back they are able to retreat without being pinged for leaving the lineout early.

For me, any management of overstepping one of these lines is fine, as long as the same principle applies to overstepping any of them.

 

[OB..]

Taken literally, "must" means you are not allowed to play advantage, and I don't buy that.