New zealand vs England 2nd test 2014.
Time 57:48 of the game (1:19:19 of the video) link below
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgf-B98C9KQ
Defender no.10 has his hands on the ball wrestling to take it away from the attacker, other players from both sides join in - so isn't this a MAUL already ??? - attacker and defender both go to ground wrestling for the ball and the referee calls a penalty against the defender for not rolling away???
my take is this:
-a maul has taken place
-the maul collapses not as a result of foul play
-ball is not immediately available for play
therefore a scrum should be awarded for the team moving forward since they both had the hands on the ball 17.6.b and 17.6.c
from what i read in irblaws/maul clarification 7 2011:
(c) At a collapsed maul there is no obligation in Law for players to roll away unless a ruck subsequently occurs.
Had the referee called a ruck subesquent the collapsed maul? but how could that be a ruck since the ball seemingly had not touched the ground?
What is your take on this? thank you
Time 57:48 of the game (1:19:19 of the video) link below
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgf-B98C9KQ
Defender no.10 has his hands on the ball wrestling to take it away from the attacker, other players from both sides join in - so isn't this a MAUL already ??? - attacker and defender both go to ground wrestling for the ball and the referee calls a penalty against the defender for not rolling away???
my take is this:
-a maul has taken place
-the maul collapses not as a result of foul play
-ball is not immediately available for play
therefore a scrum should be awarded for the team moving forward since they both had the hands on the ball 17.6.b and 17.6.c
from what i read in irblaws/maul clarification 7 2011:
(c) At a collapsed maul there is no obligation in Law for players to roll away unless a ruck subsequently occurs.
Had the referee called a ruck subesquent the collapsed maul? but how could that be a ruck since the ball seemingly had not touched the ground?
What is your take on this? thank you