Mike Selig
Referees in England
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Evening gents (and chopper...),
Just wanted to get your opinions/advice on a couple of incidents which happened during a mid-week match I had. Only my second game of the season after a lengthy lay-off due to injury (my hamstring decided it didn't like a movement I did and so would tear into a couple of pieces in protest, ouch!).
Reds v pinks, average standard but competitive, played in a decent spirit and no real issues throughout the game although I felt I was a bit inconsistent with players going off their feet at the breakdown. Pinks won by 4 in the end.
Incident 1
Scrum (uncontested) on the 22, red put-in, fly-half puts a nice little grubber through for his 12 to chase. Pink FB out of position (for some strange reason had come up to defend in the line) so race between red 12 and pink 7, the latter grabs the shirt of the former, without which it would have been a near certain try. As it happens red 13 sprints past both and dives on the ball between the posts. I award try then bin pink 7. My reasoning was that had red 13 not scored it was a pen try and YC so no reason not to YC just cos they scored anyway. Any issues?
Incident 2
Pink FB isolated with two red players chasing down on him following another excellent grubber by their 10 towards the corner. FB intelligently thinks he'll kick it away, but messes up his kick which hits red 12, and the ball then rebounds onto red 14 who is standing in front of red 12 but had no time to get out of the way. Instead of probably (direction of ball) heading into touch, the ball now goes into the in-goal where it bounces awkwardly and red 12 misses it so pink FB touches down. I give 5 meter scrum for accidental off-side but should advantage have applied? I know it doesn't when knocked-on into in-goal, but what about for other scrum offences? Neither team complained BTW, but in my experience this means little.
Just wanted to get your opinions/advice on a couple of incidents which happened during a mid-week match I had. Only my second game of the season after a lengthy lay-off due to injury (my hamstring decided it didn't like a movement I did and so would tear into a couple of pieces in protest, ouch!).
Reds v pinks, average standard but competitive, played in a decent spirit and no real issues throughout the game although I felt I was a bit inconsistent with players going off their feet at the breakdown. Pinks won by 4 in the end.
Incident 1
Scrum (uncontested) on the 22, red put-in, fly-half puts a nice little grubber through for his 12 to chase. Pink FB out of position (for some strange reason had come up to defend in the line) so race between red 12 and pink 7, the latter grabs the shirt of the former, without which it would have been a near certain try. As it happens red 13 sprints past both and dives on the ball between the posts. I award try then bin pink 7. My reasoning was that had red 13 not scored it was a pen try and YC so no reason not to YC just cos they scored anyway. Any issues?
Incident 2
Pink FB isolated with two red players chasing down on him following another excellent grubber by their 10 towards the corner. FB intelligently thinks he'll kick it away, but messes up his kick which hits red 12, and the ball then rebounds onto red 14 who is standing in front of red 12 but had no time to get out of the way. Instead of probably (direction of ball) heading into touch, the ball now goes into the in-goal where it bounces awkwardly and red 12 misses it so pink FB touches down. I give 5 meter scrum for accidental off-side but should advantage have applied? I know it doesn't when knocked-on into in-goal, but what about for other scrum offences? Neither team complained BTW, but in my experience this means little.