Drop out question

[woody]

13.17 (a) The opposing team must not charge over 22-meter line before the ball is kicked. Sanction: FK

13.17 (b) If an opponent is on the wrong side of the 22-meter line and delays or obstructs the drop-out, the player is guilty of misconduct. Sanction: PK

If a player charges over the line before the kick and charges it down, is that 13.17 (a) or (b)?

 

[The Fat]

13.17 (a) The opposing team must not charge over 22-meter line before the ball is kicked. Sanction: FK

13.17 (b) If an opponent is on the wrong side of the 22-meter line and delays or obstructs the drop-out, the player is guilty of misconduct. Sanction: PK

If a player charges over the line before the kick and charges it down, is that 13.17 (a) or (b)?

13.17(a) relates to players already outside the 22 as the kick is to be taken.
13.17(b) relates to players who were inside the 22 when the ball was made dead and are moving back towards the 22 as the kicking team are bringing the ball out to take the DO. Imagine red are to take a 22 DO and as they are jogging towards their 22, a blue player who is also jogging back moves towards the red player with the ball to obstruct him so as to delay the DO.

In your scenario, it would be 13.7(a)

 

[tim White]

13.7(a) relates to players already INSIDE the 22 as the kick is to be taken.
13.7(b) relates to players who were OUTSIDE the 22 when the ball was made dead and are moving back towards the 22 as the kicking team are bringing the ball out to take the DO. Imagine red are to take a 22 DO and as they are jogging towards their 22, a blue player who is also jogging back moves towards the red player with the ball to obstruct him so as to delay the DO.

In your scenario, it would be 13.7(a)

Is this the right way round?

 

[Davet]

I thought that until I realised that his description was of a PK award, then he reverts to talking about the scenario posited at the end of Woody's post, which is a FK.

 

[OB..]

13.17 (a) applies to players who essentially charge the drop out too early.
13.17 (b) applies to players inside the opponents 22 who interfere instead of retreating to their own side of the 22.

 

[woody]

When this discussion came up, I was envisioning a player charging, say 3-5 meters over.

So 13.17 (a) covers incidental/accidental (this is low level rugby) and 13.17 (b) would be for more of a cynical or blatant attempt to delay.

 

[Davet]

Woody - I'd sort of go with that.
If the opposition have not left the 22, and are interfering with the defenders ability to kick then PK them. If they are just a tad excitable and charge early from outside the 22 then FK 'em.

If they cross the line well early and interfere then PK 'em.