Goal Line or 22 Drop out

[Old Pig]

G’Day Guys,
So just after some clarification on touch in-goal laws.

21.4 When an attacking player holding the ball grounds the ball in in-goal and simultaneously makes contact with the touch-in-goal line or the dead-ball line (or anywhere beyond either), a 22-metre drop-out is awarded to the defending team.

What if the attacking player is tackled and taken touch in-goal without grounding the ball?
Goal line drop out? Which law covers this?

 

[crossref]

G’Day Guys,

What if the attacking player is tackled and taken touch in-goal without grounding the ball?
Goal line drop out? Which law covers this?

Attacker takes the ball into the in goal, and is tackled into touch-in-goal = 22m DO

But not covered in the law book

(There are a number of in goal scenarios like this that are not properlty covered in the Law book)

 

[Marc Wakeham]

Attacker takes the ball into the in goal, and is tackled into touch-in-goal = 22m DO

But not covered in the law book

(There are a number of in goal scenarios like this that are not properlty covered in the Law book)

Our,relatively new, poster needs some sort of reference to support your call.

 

[Marc Wakeham]

12. 12
Play is restarted with a goal line drop-out when:
a. The ball is played or taken into in-goal by an attacking player and is then
held up, grounded or otherwise made legally dead by an opponent.

 

[Old Pig]

12. 12
Play is restarted with a goal line drop-out when:
a. The ball is played or taken into in-goal by an attacking player and is then
held up, grounded or otherwise made legally dead by an opponent.

Ah, that’s it.
So basically, if the ball is carried into the in-goal by the attacking team and no try in scored, then goal line drop-out?

If the ball is carried or passed in by defenders, and touched down then scrum.

22 only on penalty restart or
if kicked through by attackers (with scrum as an option).

 

[crossref]

Our,relatively new, poster needs some sort of reference to support your call.

You are right

This is good .. on this page.

Referee Resources | USA Rugby

usa.rugby

You will find "in goal permutations" that cover everything you can think of . Note the footnote .. USAR covered it all off with WR so we know it is correct

In goal permutations is here

https://d26phqdbpt0w91.cloudfront.net/NonVideo/3b339bb5-b376-44f1-ace6-49f112d751c7.pdf

 

[Marc Wakeham]

That is handy. Why does WR acknowledge the law book is inadequate and not update it?

 

[crossref]

That is handy. Why does WR acknowledge the law book is inadequate and not update it?

This lacuna dates (of course) from the 2017 rewrite, But why they didn't take the opportunity to fix it when they brought in the GLDO is beyond me

 

[Dickie E]

Ah, that’s it.
So basically, if the ball is carried into the in-goal by the attacking team and no try in scored, then goal line drop-out?

If the ball is carried or passed in by defenders, and touched down then scrum.

22 only on penalty restart or
if kicked through by attackers (with scrum as an option).

No, that is not right. In your OP, it is a 22 drop out.
Goal line drop out only if:
1. Held up in goal
2. Knock on by attacking team in goal, or
3. Ball made dead by defenders after ball put into in goal by attackers

 

[Old Pig]

Thanks for the clarification guys.
The US rugby table is really useful.
Hopefully WR will update the law book with more concise descriptions.

 

[Old Pig]

The final one for clarifying. Attacker, who is still in the field of play, knocks-on. The ball lands in-goal.
As the knock on occurred in the field of play, I assume a scrum at the nearest point in the scrum zone? Ie, 5m scrum with non-offending team to feed?

 

[Marc Wakeham]

The final one for clarifying. Attacker, who is still in the field of play, knocks-on. The ball lands in-goal.
As the knock on occurred in the field of play, I assume a scrum at the nearest point in the scrum zone? Ie, 5m scrum with non-offending team to feed?

That one is coveredon the USA document.

 

[Dickie E]

The final one for clarifying. Attacker, who is still in the field of play, knocks-on. The ball lands in-goal.
As the knock on occurred in the field of play, I assume a scrum at the nearest point in the scrum zone? Ie, 5m scrum with non-offending team to feed?

Yep

 

[Old Pig]

That one is coveredon the USA document.

Yep, Sorry, I missed the fine print:

-Knock-on by Attack into in-goal from the field-of-play = Scrum to Defense, no closer than 5m from goal.

 

[Dickie E]

Knock on in FoP by attacking and ball goes onto in goal. Defender picks up ball so ref looks for advantage. Defender carries ball over DBL. What is restart? Aka which is more advantageous to the defending team: a 5 metre scrum or a GLDO?

 

[Old Pig]

Knock on in FoP by attacking and ball goes onto in goal. Defender picks up ball so ref looks for advantage. Defender carries ball over DBL. What is restart? Aka which is more advantageous to the defending team: a 5 metre scrum or a GLDO?

Hmmm. Great question. Do you give the option?
-Goal line drop out more controlled, as in, you definitely get the ball and kick it.
-5m Scrum, the potential for scrum loss or penalty. But potentially get more metres from punt vs DK

 

[crossref]

Knock on in FoP by attacking and ball goes onto in goal. Defender picks up ball so ref looks for advantage. Defender carries ball over DBL. What is restart? Aka which is more advantageous to the defending team: a 5 metre scrum or a GLDO?

It's a 5m scrum because knocking on doesn't count as putting the ball into the in goal

 

[Dickie E]

It's a 5m scrum because knocking on doesn't count as putting the ball into the in goal

Well its definitely in goal ... so how did it get there if not put in by the attacking team?

 

[Balones]

It is a 5M scrum. The ref played/offered an advantage but the defending side did’t take one by putting the ball dead instead of playing with it.

 

[Dickie E]

It is a 5M scrum. The ref played/offered an advantage but the defending side did’t take one by putting the ball dead instead of playing with it.

But to Old Pig's point ... is a GLDO more or less advantageous than a 5 metre scrum? The law doesn't say you have to play with it, just that you get tactical or territorial advantage.