Not when I next ref a 6N game.
Down in the sticks, yes most likely, I think
I would explain it along the same lines as the apologists for France above. Situation was confused, motion was not material, the guy who charged is most likely new to rugby and didn't understand.
I think that would most likely be appropriate approach in the sort of games I ref.
(But not necessarily... All situations are different)
How would you most likely handle it ?
Apply the sanction.
But you did not answer the second quote and this is the bit I do not get, you state the French acted wilfully to prevent Italy winning the game yet the sanction is too severe. It just doesn't balance!
Look at another Law and draw the comparison:
A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts if foul play by the opposing team prevents a probable try from being scored, or scored in a more advantageous position. A player guilty of this must be cautioned and temporarily suspended or sent off.
If a try would probably have been scored but for foul play results in a penalty try, why do you have an issue with this sanction especially as you accept it was a deliberate act?
absolutely disagree!
None of the French were confused in the slightest, they were trying to distract the kicker and put him off. The ref in turn knew what they were doing but decided to let it go
Waving arms definitely something to take account of, and aggravates the offence
Shouting also (shouting isn't even allowed at a conversion)
You really confuse me sometimes in what Laws you are keen to apply and what you may wish to ignore.
Interesting reflection about the differing sanction
retake of a conversion v
award of a new penalty:
The team must not shout during a conversion attempt.
- Sanction: If the opposing team at a conversion attempt infringes but the kick is successful, the goal stands. If the kick is unsuccessful, the kicker retakes the conversion and the opposing team is not allowed to charge. When another kick is allowed, the kicker may repeat all the preparations. The kicker may change the type of kick.
Penalty Kick
22 - If the kicker indicates to the referee the intent to kick at goal, the opposing team must stand still with their hands by their sides from the time the kicker starts to approach to kick until the ball is kicked
26 - A defending player must not shout during a penalty kick at goal.
27 - If the opposing team infringes while the kick is being taken but the kick at goal is successful, the goal stands and a further penalty is not awarded. If the kick is unsuccessful, the non-offending team is awarded a penalty 10 metres in front of the original mark. Sanction: Penalty.
I can only interpret therefore that the ability to undertake all preparations again are not included in the penalty kick sanction as award of a new penalty resets the whole process not just the shot clock.