[Maul] 1st receiver & binding

[Christy]

Ref new mauls . From line out. ( coming season )
Looking for advice

Ball thrown into line out all clean
Red 4 catches ball , turns to his own side with view of setting up maul.

Red receiver lets say red 6
For ball to now transfer to back of maul
The ball has to be passed back . To a player who is bound in maul .

Here my question
1) can red 4 who caught ball.
Can he bind onto red 6 ( leaving red 6 with 2 free arms , to take ball & him self pass back )
2) does ball receiver ( who is red 6 ) ,,have to bind on to red 4 ( leaving him with 1 arm free to manovre ball )

Or are both types of binding acceptable ..

I hope above makes sense of different binding possibilities

 

[ChrisR]

From 17.2:

(b) A player must be caught in or bound to the maul and not just alongside it. Sanction: Penalty kick
(c) Placing a hand on another player in the maul does not constitute binding. Sanction: Penalty kick

I interpret "caught in" to be bound in by other players.

 

[Taff]

Re: 1st receiver & binding

... I hope above makes sense of different binding possibilities

Hell Christy, have you been drinking? :biggrin:

As I see it, after the recent LO clarification, there are only 4 options at LOs:

1. The ball leaves the LO (eg tapped to a peeling player) and we play on.
2. The opposition step out of the LO to avoid creating a maul - PK for leaving the LO.
3. The ball is caught and kept at the front - play on.
4. The ball is caught and passed / handed back to a team mate - call "Use it" and if the BC runs into his own team mate - scrum for accidental offside.

 

[Christy]

Re: 1st receiver & binding

Hi taff , no only drinking tea lately ,,hangovers hurt too much these last nr of years.
I not explained properly.
I only enquiring IF a maul starts from a line out ( in reality it could apply to maul from open play ).

Im simply asking .
Regarding binding with 1st ball carrier. ( in making of a maul)
I have heared , the binding of ball carrier will be scrutinised

Can ball carrier bind on to 2nd receiver.
Or does 2nd receiver also need to bind on to ball carrier.

Because 2nd receiver is going to find it a bit harder to evade opposition hands from trying to legally rip / mess with ball .
Where as before he could sneak into pack & team mates around him / her were doing the binding ( blocking as it will now be penalised as )


When a player joins a ruck , aproaching player is always by default the player who aproaches team mate & makes a bind
( it never other way around for obvious practicality reasons )

There is a vidio on irb web site ,,ill take another look at it.

I could do with a drink now ,,but its locked away
I might start looking for the keys
Hope above is a bit more clearly explained

 

[DocY]

So red jumper comes down, holding the ball in one hand, grabs onto a team mate behind him who then takes the ball off the jumper with both hands?

I wouldn't necessarily penalise that, but it's not technically a maul if the team mate isn't bound onto the ball carrier and I wouldn't be surprised if others disagree.

I would keep an eye out for truck and trailer if they start trying to drive forward though.

 

[didds]

No - jumper (J) catches and lands, team mate binds (B) onto him and he hands the ball past that teammate to somebody bound on behind the binder (R)


JBR <--- direction of attack

didds

 

[DocY]

No - jumper (J) catches and lands, team mate binds (B) onto him and he hands the ball past that teammate to somebody bound on behind the binder (R)


JBR <--- direction of attack

didds

Isn't that the other thread? This one sounds to me like it's describing something a bit different.

 

[didds]

oops! sorry!

didds

 

[Christy]

I think ive looked to hard at this scinario.
In all honesty , i think it doesnt matter who binds on to who.
As long as there is a bind ( it would be a harsh penalty )
Or am i wrong.

With new laws stating ball only can go backwards ,,rather than ball carrier snaking back.
And with a long pass back no longer allowed ,
There is enough to be keeping an eye on ,,with out trying to decipher who has bound on to who ..

 

[DocY]

Yep. Don't go looking for things to penalise. If you do, you'll always find something and you'll wear out your whistle!