I think that he had called Advantage Over. Certainly most of the Australian team were not expecting to go back to the Advantage.
he may have, but I didn't hear him. However you don't usually call adv over for a penalty offence 2m out unless there is a score, especially after normal time is up as you are not even using up normal playing time.
Want to end scrum advantage after time expires?
No need for "scrum please ref"
no need for knocking the ball on
Just kick the bloody thing out!
Want to end scrum advantage after time expires?
No need for "scrum please ref"
no need for knocking the ball on
Just kick the bloody thing out!
Ian, in other threads you have argued very strongly that you can't gain an advantage by making the ball dead !
(you can, of course)
Want to end scrum advantage after time expires?
No need for "scrum please ref"
no need for knocking the ball on
Just kick the bloody thing out!
Just make sure you find touch - reference B.Botica for Quins vs Northampton
Ian, in other threads you have argued very strongly that you can't gain an advantage by making the ball dead !
(you can, of course)
No, you can't, but now you're just being silly!
You are NOT gaining and advantage by kicking it out, you are deciding to NOT to take an advantage you already have..
there was no advantage situation there, of course.
If the referee HAD have been playing advantage to Quins it would have been a VERY interesting moment : should the ref call adv-over the moment Botica (quite freely) chooses to kick it, or does he wait to see if the kick finds touch, as was intended (and then when it didn't call no-adv gained, scrum, no-side, peep)
in this case it's an interesting dynamic - Botica gained loads of territorial advantage (the kick was a long one) but of course he didn't want territory! territory was a disaster - time has expired and he was trying to kick the ball out, to end the game.
so for scrum advantage - the referee should wait to see the result of the kick ?
That isn't what I wrote, but in every case I have seen like this that I can recall, if the player under scrum advantage kicks the ball directly into touch from outside his 22m, the referee has gone back for the scrum.
I struggle with this one at least a couple of times a season. My usual (scrum) advantage over criterion is if they've kicked the ball under no pressure, that's using it as they wish and therefore tactical advantage (unless it's a complete mis-kick).
if what they are trying to do is to kick it off the pitch then do you count any type of miss as a miss-kick? That's the question, really.
If they kick the ball (under no pressure) then that's advantage over while the ball is in the air.
If their kick is poor, that's not my fault.
Everyone I know does it this way for scrum advantage.