Ball flying out of scrum

[Rawling]

Re. this video on RugbyDump, tries 6 and 4:

In both cases, the ball comes flying out the back of the scrum in a rather obvious manner. Is it possible to do this legally?

 

[Phil E]

Re. this video on RugbyDump, tries 6 and 4:

In both cases, the ball comes flying out the back of the scrum in a rather obvious manner. Is it possible to do this legally?

Watched the first one that comes up (yellow team) several times and still cant tell if its a hand that flicks the ball out or a foot.

If its the former its penalty, if its the latter its fine.

As to whether it is legaly possible? see my previous answer above.

 

[FlipFlop]

In both cases it appears (to me at least) that the ball is flicked out by the hand of the #8.

The question then is - can the 8 flick the ball out legally?

 

[ddjamo]

what I see in those tiny screens: the 8 in both vids unbinds with his right arm and scoops it back. he could have picked it up and gone with it...was unbound...ball is out - play on.

 

[PaulDG]

In both cases it appears (to me at least) that the ball is flicked out by the hand of the #8.

The question then is - can the 8 flick the ball out legally?

In general, when he unbinds with the ball at his feet, the scrum is over.

 

[OB..]

Since you can bind with one arm only, the #8 has not technically unbound if he only unbinds with one arm. I think both plays are illegal.

At low levels I would warn once and then ping. At top level they should know, but it might appear that referees allow it.

 

[SimonSmith]

I agree with OB.

Weirdly enoughm, this came up on Sunday, and I did exactly what OB said. One arm is still bound, and therefore you're technically playing it with your hand...

 

[ddjamo]

guess it comes down to 20.10(c)...

lets say those clips show him reaching down with one hand scooping it - with the left arm in and instantly going with it...is he still playing it in the scrum?

 

[OB..]

ddjamo - you can always find grey areas near limiting conditions.

The #8 is supposed to unbind before handling the ball. Your call.

 

[Simon Griffiths]

I probably agree with OB. Of course, if the #8 is binding a la Diprose at the end of a scrum, just resting his hands on the locks' arses, then he's not bound anyway - of course, when did he unbind in that situation...

 

[Rawling]

I probably agree with OB. Of course, if the #8 is binding a la Diprose at the end of a scrum, just resting his hands on the locks' arses, then he's not bound anyway - of course, when did he unbind in that situation...

Yes... that's another recent directive, isn't it? Number 8 must be full bound, and especially mustn't... crash into the second row on the engage?

 

[Dixie]

In the way that Jordan Crane is doing as we speak for Leicester in front of Mr Barnes's nose

 

[Rawling]

Don't worry, it doesn't matter once Wasps go uncontested

I continue to be impressed by "Mr Barnes"