Charged down kick/no gain in ground

[MattyP]

This doesn't seem like the right outcome... even if it is technically right.

http://www.sareferees.com/laws/view/2829665/

Where in the laws of the game does it say that an unsuccessful charge-down is playing the ball?

 

[Pinky]

I would say that in trying to charge down the ball, that is an attempt to play the ball. Ideally he wants it to bounce off him and to be able to run forward and recover it, I would expect. But that means if he only touches it, it is still played and if it goes back inside the 22, there is no gain in ground. If in the same situation, the ball had gone into touch, would you really expect to disregard that the defending side had touched it and award them the lineout?

 

[MrQeu]

Technically it might be right, but a successful charge down is not a knock-on, whereas an unsuccessful one means no gain in ground.

 

[Phil E]

Where in the laws of the game does it say that an unsuccessful charge-down is playing the ball?

LOTG 2012, Page 7, definitions.

[LAWS]Played: The ball is played when it is touched by a player.[/LAWS]

 

[dave_clark]

cue the circular argument about player touching ball vs ball touching player.

 

[MattyP]

Thanks Phil.

 

[Davet]

If you attempt a charge down then you are deliberately attempting to toch the ball - ie you are Playing the ball.

If you do so poorly then you take the consequences - so the real rugby player will assess how successful he is likely to be before he attempts it - and make an informed and deliberate choice.

Only children act without thinking.

 

[Pinky]

Only children act without thinking.[/QUOTE]

Eh? You must have a strange bunch of mates to say that

 

[crossref]

If you attempt a charge down then you are deliberately attempting to toch the ball - ie you are Playing the ball.

If you do so poorly then you take the consequences - so the real rugby player will assess how successful he is likely to be before he attempts it - and make an informed and deliberate choice.

Only children act without thinking.

i don't thnk a charge down is a considered action. it's a more a blind hope.

clearly any charge down is completely unpredictable, and is taking a chance -- the ball might go forwards four metres and bounce up into your arms for a certain try, it may glance sideways into the arms of an opponent for a change in angle and try to them, it may hit you in the face and break your nose. It's just a chance you take..

it may come off you and be carried over your own 22m where your team-mate, not realising, kicks for touch.
Unlucky!
but you can't charge down kicks and then complain about the luck of the bounce...

 

[Taff]

This doesn't seem like the right outcome... even if it is technically right. ... Where in the laws of the game does it say that an unsuccessful charge-down is playing the ball?

In the Definitions section on page 7.

Played: The ball is played when it is touched by a player.

Sorry Phil I think my computer is having a funny 5 minutes. I could only see 2 replies when I posted.

 

[Davet]

Eh? You must have a strange bunch of mates to say that

I don't understand.

Do you think I am friends with people who don't think about what they do, before they do it?

"Acting on instinct" is fine - so long as you have good instincts, honed by experience. But just doing something without thought of consequence is probably the definition of "Childish"

 

[Pinky]

I don't understand.

Do you think I am friends with people who don't think about what they do, before they do it?

"Acting on instinct" is fine - so long as you have good instincts, honed by experience. But just doing something without thought of consequence is probably the definition of "Childish"

Sorry, it was a lighthearted remark against your suggestion that only children act without thinking. Very often children will have thought long and hard about an action, although equally they may well act without thinking. I know from my own acquaintances that even as adults they often act withough thinking (or at least without thinking enough) about the consequences of the action. If you don't know folks like this, you operate in a very considerate circle