didds
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This is here in "general" 'cos its not a law related thing, more admin/CB/union.
We recently had a player dismissed for a double yellow... first for a high tackle and the second for "verbal abuse" of the ref.
The letter has comne through from the CB for the disciplinary meeting (a Tue night IIRC) including the refs report that the player called the ref a "F****g cheat". The player does not dispute the high tackle call in retrospect and he fully respects the ref's jurisdiction on this point. Neither does he dispute that he chatted back to the referee... BUT he is adamant that did not use the words the ref says he did and he certainly didn't accus ethe ref of either cheating or of using foul language.
However, if he appeals against the report, he has to attend a disciplinary tribunal, along with the referee - but in ordder to do this he would have to take time off work, adn as an hourly paid worker he would lose a shift's wages. Consequently he is not in a position to do so, especially as he himself puts it when its his word versus the ref why should the tribunal not agree with the ref (after all, it would make a mockery of the system if the ref wasn't to be believed).
All this in itself is not so bad - the player, while not totally happy about the slur on his character is prepared to take whatever ban comes down from it all despite feeling aggreived that he will be banned for swearing at an official when he did no such thing. C';est la vie. We (the club) have handed down an 8 match ban on him in advance of the tribunal.
However, apparently he will also be handed a £50 fine! This has really got all our goats up frankly - he plays the game as an amateur (natch!), is not exactly rolling in cash as it is, and on top of (manfully) accepting a two month ban from the game will be hit in the pocket to boot, and basically because of a factually incorrect report. As amateurs why should we be handing out fines? Bans yes - financial penalties no! What happens if he simply cannot pay the £50 - does he remain banned until he does pay it? How does this make rugby an inclusive sport - basically its do anything you want if you are loaded, but keep schtumm if you are borassic!
Can you imagine the reaction of a wife faced with a husband given a £50 fine ? It could even lead to us LOSING players from the game simply because of such fines.
I am not condoning this player's yellow cards, or his back-chatting. One could argue that maybe the game would be better off w/out such "louts" - but show me a centre that NEVER high tackles? And as I reiterate he claims he did NOT verball abuse the ref nor accuse him of being a cheat... it was just general backchat (the sort of "what about them then ref" sort) and maybe worthy only of 10 metres and a finger wagging IMO.
But how can we hope to retain players when the tribunal suystem is such that players have to miss work and so wages to attend if they want to appeal, and when we actually hand out finaincial penalties to boot?
didds
We recently had a player dismissed for a double yellow... first for a high tackle and the second for "verbal abuse" of the ref.
The letter has comne through from the CB for the disciplinary meeting (a Tue night IIRC) including the refs report that the player called the ref a "F****g cheat". The player does not dispute the high tackle call in retrospect and he fully respects the ref's jurisdiction on this point. Neither does he dispute that he chatted back to the referee... BUT he is adamant that did not use the words the ref says he did and he certainly didn't accus ethe ref of either cheating or of using foul language.
However, if he appeals against the report, he has to attend a disciplinary tribunal, along with the referee - but in ordder to do this he would have to take time off work, adn as an hourly paid worker he would lose a shift's wages. Consequently he is not in a position to do so, especially as he himself puts it when its his word versus the ref why should the tribunal not agree with the ref (after all, it would make a mockery of the system if the ref wasn't to be believed).
All this in itself is not so bad - the player, while not totally happy about the slur on his character is prepared to take whatever ban comes down from it all despite feeling aggreived that he will be banned for swearing at an official when he did no such thing. C';est la vie. We (the club) have handed down an 8 match ban on him in advance of the tribunal.
However, apparently he will also be handed a £50 fine! This has really got all our goats up frankly - he plays the game as an amateur (natch!), is not exactly rolling in cash as it is, and on top of (manfully) accepting a two month ban from the game will be hit in the pocket to boot, and basically because of a factually incorrect report. As amateurs why should we be handing out fines? Bans yes - financial penalties no! What happens if he simply cannot pay the £50 - does he remain banned until he does pay it? How does this make rugby an inclusive sport - basically its do anything you want if you are loaded, but keep schtumm if you are borassic!
Can you imagine the reaction of a wife faced with a husband given a £50 fine ? It could even lead to us LOSING players from the game simply because of such fines.
I am not condoning this player's yellow cards, or his back-chatting. One could argue that maybe the game would be better off w/out such "louts" - but show me a centre that NEVER high tackles? And as I reiterate he claims he did NOT verball abuse the ref nor accuse him of being a cheat... it was just general backchat (the sort of "what about them then ref" sort) and maybe worthy only of 10 metres and a finger wagging IMO.
But how can we hope to retain players when the tribunal suystem is such that players have to miss work and so wages to attend if they want to appeal, and when we actually hand out finaincial penalties to boot?
didds