potential flash point, but not sure that there was anything illegal there :chin:
[LAWS]10.4 (h) A player must not charge into a ruck or maul. Charging includes any contact made without use of the arms, or without grasping a player.[/LAWS]
I'm not seeing the video so can't comment on it..... but how does a still image(grainy or not) show that nothing illegal happened with regard to the bind and clear out?so not applying to the bloke in that video then.
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the image is somewhat grainy die to the nature of the provided video but the circled arm is that clearer's arm. Clearly use of the arm around the opponent.
So nothing illegal there at all then.
didds
He came charging in from a distance which is dangerous in and of itself, but he wrapped his arms and performed a reasonable clear-out of a guy who was illegally a part of a breakdown making a nuisance of himself. It wasn't a shoulder charge, nor was it high.
I can easily see why the ref ignored it.
I can also appreciate why the referee might ignored it, but you can't have it both ways ..... either he was
a] a legitimate ruck participant & therefore entitled to be there [but not play the 9 of course ]
or
b] he wasn't a bonafide ruck participant - which then means he was tackled/played illegally by the charging player.
as an aside, i think it likely his nuisance efforts had ceased/reduced because the referee probably had used a preventative instruction, which if so means I'd give a PK against the charging person because .... referees manage such interferences, & players aren't licensed to charge in such a way.
[ps, as a player i might have done the same & took one for my team in sending him a future deterrent message! ]
I'm not seeing the video so can't comment on it..... but how does a still image(grainy or not) show that nothing illegal happened with regard to the bind and clear out?
The bind could easily be after a shoulder contact etc.
Looks like a charge to me. Not being bound is just a supplemental nail in the coffin for any would be offender.
Except he was bound.
So
1) how fast can a player enter a ruck. MPH or KPH, not bothered which.
2) how far away can a player begin his run at a ruck. Metres or feet, I don't kind.
didds
If, in my opinion, a player does something dangerous, then he can pay the price.
In my view he was participating in the ruck and liable to be played.
The fact he was illegally participating does not mean that other players can't play him.
I think it is a very marginal one. He runs in at pace from a far distance in a circumstance in which he could have misjudged his clear out easily.
His action was not actually dangerous, but it was done in such a way that it could easily have been potentially dangerous if something changed at the last second.
For me it's probably a PK, but I'm never giving a YC for it let alone an RC. That would be silly IMO.