kick off/ restart options

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red restart after a try.
ball goes into blue try area
blue 15 touches down immediately.
ref calls 'options' to blue skipper.
blue skipper chooses scrum on half way ...

see 13.9(b)
 

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Ball goes into in-goal without touching anyone, is immediately grounded = option is ask them to kick again or scrum in middle...

Sounds good to me.

What's the problem?
 

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doesn't blue have the option of a 22m as well?
 

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Nope.


13.9 BALL GOES INTO THE IN-GOAL
(a) If the ball is kicked into the in-goal without having touched or been touched by a player, the opposing team has three choices:
To ground the ball, or
To make it dead, or
To play on.

(b) If the opposing team grounds the ball, or if they make it dead, or if the ball becomes dead by going into touch-in-goal or on or over the dead ball line, they have two choices:
To have a scrum formed at the centre, and they throw in the ball, or
To have the other team kick off again.

(c) If they opt to ground the ball or make it dead, they must do so without delay. Any other action with the ball by a defending player means the player has elected to play on.
 

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Ball goes into in-goal without touching anyone, is immediately grounded = option is ask them to kick again or scrum in middle...

Sounds good to me.

What's the problem?

no problem from me ... just making sure i havent misread anything ..
and 29 odd players and spectators and two sets of coaching staff incl a L5 club's coach who then said to me "it's difficult to play when you are wrong"

then it went down hill !
 

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If the player making it dead picks it up runs about a bit and then puts it down, 22, but otherwise it's correct, options (unless it's 7's of course :wink: )
 

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Wtf? He should know better... :norc:
 

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so if they want the option of a 22m they need to delay for a second or so.. and then touch it down.

That should come under 'strange laws'
 

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Odd that this point isn't addressed specifically :chin:

I've never seen it in a game though...
 

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Why the heck would anyone want a 22 when they can have a scrum at the centre.....:confused:
 

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If they are getting spanked in the scrums a 22 gives them a chance to regain the ball, but 99% of the time scrum is the option.
 

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Getting smashed at the scrum?

22m restart - other team has the ball in their own half and has to run it back to you

Scrum - PK to other team, they get to kick and have a L/O on your 22?

Possibility...
 

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I'd say that with a 22 you have a c20% chance of regaining the ball, if scrum chance is 0% there may be an argument for taking the 22. (as I say earlier 99% of the time it's a scrum)
 

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It never ceases to amaze me the puzzled looks you get for "in-goal" decision.

Attackers kicks ball into in goal, defender kicks it into touch in goal.
I give 22 (attackers took it in).

The questions (politely asked, so no problem) I got from both captains revolved around:

Penalty for deliberately kicking it into touch in goal :rolleyes:
5m scrum because defender kicked it into touch in goal :rolleyes:
Scrum back because it was kicked dead :rolleyes:

Bit later, attackers kicks from his own half and the ball goes into in goal. Defender with foot on dead ball line picks up the moving ball and then dots it down.

I offer 22 or scrum back (moving ball picked up meant kicker put it dead).

Attackers said it was only a 22 because he dotted it down. :rolleyes:
Defenders looked like the cat with the cream and obviously thought they had got one over on me, when they took the scrum back option. :rolleyes:

Oh.....and I am still geting told that touching the corner post is in touch :rolleyes:
 

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If they are getting spanked in the scrums a 22 gives them a chance to regain the ball, but 99% of the time scrum is the option.

So does the option to ask the opposition to kick off again - either gives you possession probably well infront of your 22, or a good competitive chance to regain it just by your 10m line...
 

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► Penalty for deliberately kicking it into touch in goal :rolleyes:
► 5m scrum because defender kicked it into touch in goal :rolleyes:
► Scrum back because it was kicked dead :rolleyes:
► Attackers said it was only a 22 because he dotted it down. :rolleyes:

Oh.....and

►I am still geting told that touching the corner post is in touch :rolleyes:

Myth
Myth
Myth
Myth

Oh.... and

Myth

Five myths in one post. Didn't you do well?? :biggrin:
 
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