[Law] Kicking the ball from a player in possession

[SilverMoon]

Is it permissible for a defending player to kick the ball from a player trying to score a try ? if not why in law. Thanks.

 

[Camquin]

22.4
(e)
Tackled near the goal line. If a player is tackled near to the opponents’ goal line so that this player can immediately reach out and ground the ball on or over the goal line, a try is scored.
(f)
In this situation, defending players who are on their feet may legally prevent the try by pulling the ball from the tackled player’s hands or arms, but must not kick the ball.

 

[thepercy]

Is it permissible for a defending player to kick the ball from a player trying to score a try ? if not why in law. Thanks.

No. 22.4.F

 

[Pegleg]

Try 22.4 (f) It's surely dangerous play.

 

[crossref]

I would always penalise someone who who tries to kick the ball from a ball carrier's hands .. anywhere on the pitch it's dangerous play

 

[SilverMoon]

22.4
(e)
Tackled near the goal line. If a player is tackled near to the opponents’ goal line so that this player can immediately reach out and ground the ball on or over the goal line, a try is scored.
(f)
In this situation, defending players who are on their feet may legally prevent the try by pulling the ball from the tackled player’s hands or arms, but must not kick the ball.

What if the ball carrier is not tackled and simply diving for the score ?

 

[thepercy]

What if the ball carrier is not tackled and simply diving for the score ?

Not for me. This will almost always be a Penalty Try, and probably a YC.

 

[Pegleg]

What if the ball carrier is not tackled and simply diving for the score ?

It would be totally illogical not to treat he two the same. It's dangerous play and, almost certainly, a PT and a card for me.

 

[Taff]

What if the ball carrier is not tackled and simply diving for the score ?

I would always penalise someone who who tries to kick the ball from a ball carrier's hands .. anywhere on the pitch it's dangerous play

As Crossref says - it's Dangerous Play, no matter where it happens.

It's just not an issue; I don't think I've ever met a player who thought it was OK to do it. :chin:

 

[Not Kurt Weaver]

What if the ball carrier is not tackled and simply diving for the score ?

No, PK, YC a must

my reference:
http://laws.worldrugby.org/?domain=10&clarlaw=22&clarification=1016

YC is a must is in 22.17 I had to look it up

 

[Pinky]

No, PK, YC a must

my reference:
http://laws.worldrugby.org/?domain=10&clarlaw=22&clarification=1016

YC is a must is in 22.17 I had to look it up

NKW, penalty try and YC is a must. PK and it is optional

 

[Not Kurt Weaver]

NKW, penalty try and YC is a must. PK and it is optional

You are correct, sir culpa mia

 

[SilverMoon]

No, PK, YC a must

my reference:
http://laws.worldrugby.org/?domain=10&clarlaw=22&clarification=1016

YC is a must is in 22.17 I had to look it up

This law clarification is really helpful - thank you. I thought my question wasn't clearly covered in law and this reference confirms. Thanks all.

 

[Pegleg]

As Crossref says - it's Dangerous Play, no matter where it happens.

It's just not an issue; I don't think I've ever met a player who thought it was OK to do it. :chin:

A Welsh player did it in, either, the World 7s or the U20 RWC a few years ago. He got away with it! Sometimes we don't see the bear for the backet ball players.

 

[Phil E]

penalty try and YC is a must.

Showing a card with a Penalty Try is only a "must" if it is deliberate.

In this case that may be so, but be careful of saying "must".

 

[OB..]

NKW, penalty try and YC is a must. PK and it is optional

Clarification 9 of 2004[LAWS][FONT=fs_blakeregular]If a penalty try is awarded as the result of a player unintentionally offending, the player, as well as being liable to cautioning and temporary suspension or send off, can be admonished by the referee. [/FONT]

[FONT=fs_blakeregular]Examples of this may be after penalty tries resulting from: [/FONT]
[FONT=fs_blakeregular]• mistimed tackle (early or late, but not dangerous) [/FONT]
[FONT=fs_blakeregular]• unintentional reactionary high tackle, but not dangerous.[/FONT][/LAWS]

In the light of the other thread on mondegreens, eggcorns, etc, I see "reactionary" as a malapropism.

 

[Pinky]

Showing a card with a Penalty Try is only a "must" if it is deliberate.

In this case that may be so, but be careful of saying "must".

Phil, I am only quoting what it says in 22.17 (b)

 

[Pegleg]

Phil, I am only quoting what it says in 22.17 (b)

22.17 (B) must be read in conjunction with:

10.2 UNFAIR PLAY
(a) Intentionally Offending. A player must not intentionally infringe any Law of the Game, or play unfairly. The player who intentionally offends must be either admonished, or cautioned that a send off will result if the offence or a similar offence is committed, or sent off.
Sanction: Penalty kick
A penalty try must be awarded if the offence prevents a try that would probably otherwise have been scored. A player who prevents a try being scored through foul play must either be cautioned and temporarily suspended or sent off.

It is Intentional offennding and not Foul play as such. Phil's clarification could /should have been written into 22.17 (B) by now.

 

[Pinky]

22.17 (B) must be read in conjunction with:

10.2 UNFAIR PLAY
(a) Intentionally Offending. A player must not intentionally infringe any Law of the Game, or play unfairly. The player who intentionally offends must be either admonished, or cautioned that a send off will result if the offence or a similar offence is committed, or sent off.
Sanction: Penalty kick
A penalty try must be awarded if the offence prevents a try that would probably otherwise have been scored. A player who prevents a try being scored through foul play must either be cautioned and temporarily suspended or sent off.

It is Intentional offennding and not Foul play as such. Phil's clarification could /should have been written into 22.17 (B) by now.

No, the definition of foul play makes it clear that there are different types of foul play, and unfair play is only one of them. There are other types of foul play that require a PT and 22.17 (b) means, to me, that all of them require a YC, unless there are exceptional circumstances such as not being able to identify the guilty party etc

 

[TheBFG]

No, the definition of foul play makes it clear that there are different types of foul play, and unfair play is only one of them. There are other types of foul play that require a PT and 22.17 (b) means, to me, that all of them require a YC, unless there are exceptional circumstances such as not being able to identify the guilty party etc

Sometimes not being able to identify them is a good option to take :wink: