No 8 bind at U19's

[didds]

[LAWS]20.3 (f) [FONT=fs_blakeregular]Binding by all other players. [/FONT][FONT=fs_blakeregular]All players in a scrum, other than front-row players, must bind on a lock’s body with at least one arm prior to the scrum engagement. [...][[/FONT][/LAWS]That seems to make the old-fashioned 3-2-3 formation illegal, since the flankers would be binding on the #8, not a lock. (Yes, I know the #8 used to be known as a "lock" - but not nowadays.)

well, its not beyond the wit of man to get a full arm bind on a second row at "final row" flank position on a second row's body, but the general principal is understood. And woud be dififcult to maintain in a dynamic scrum.

didds

 

[Womble]

I've never actually seen it on the pitch - -do you use it?

Only on a 5m attacking scrum & only if the opposition have technically good mountain of a loose head. It enables us to drive straighter and helps sir make an easier call if we get close or over the line. Other than that no, in open field there are other ways to counter act that situation.

 

[Ian_Cook]

normally flankers bind at A and E

I only ever played at flanker once and that's where I ended up! :biggrin:

 

[OB..]

well, its not beyond the wit of man to get a full arm bind on a second row at "final row" flank position on a second row's body

Really?
[LAWS]Binding: [FONT=fs_blakeregular]Grasping firmly another player’s body [/FONT][FONT=fs_blakeregular]between the shoulders and the hips[/FONT][FONT=fs_blakeregular] with the whole arm in contact from hand to shoulder.[/FONT][/LAWS]

 

[RobLev]

I only ever played at flanker once and that's where I ended up! :biggrin:

That's where you're supposed to put the 10!

 

[Womble]

Really?
[LAWS]Binding: [FONT=fs_blakeregular]Grasping firmly another player’s body [/FONT][FONT=fs_blakeregular]between the shoulders and the hips[/FONT][FONT=fs_blakeregular] with the whole arm in contact from hand to shoulder.[/FONT][/LAWS]

We have discussed this before, does the number 8 comply with the law as it stands?

 

[OB..]

We have discussed this before, does the number 8 comply with the law as it stands?

No he doesn't, but we really don't have much choice. With flankers there is a choice, but all that really does is point out the unsatisfactory state of the law.

 

[Womble]

No he doesn't, but we really don't have much choice. With flankers there is a choice, but all that really does is point out the unsatisfactory state of the law.

Agreed, but if we allow the 8 to bind to the locks in that way then we should let 6 & 7 do the same just to be consistant in how we apply the law for the 8!

 

[didds]

Really?
[LAWS]Binding: [FONT=fs_blakeregular]Grasping firmly another player’s body [/FONT][FONT=fs_blakeregular]between the shoulders and the hips[/FONT][FONT=fs_blakeregular] with the whole arm in contact from hand to shoulder.[/FONT][/LAWS]

yeah - I don;t see it as THAT difficuilt.

#8 head between two locks, bind around lower hips. Flank shoulder against outside of 2nd row's bum, whole arm bound on 2nd row's body parallel to 2nd row's spine.

Its no less a bind than a typical #8 "enforced" bind that never gets anywhere near hips and shoulders, but generally around the hips on the shorts,.

But it hardly ever happens, and the only time I could realistically see it being used is the description above of a stacked back row... and Ive never actually see that used in 40 years of rugby involvement. So its purely academic.

didds

 

[OB..]

So its purely academic.

didds

Agreed.