Since we're looking at the laws in detail, 7.2.c - knock-on advantage over, go back for red scrum 5?
Good point
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Since we're looking at the laws in detail, 7.2.c - knock-on advantage over, go back for red scrum 5?
By the absolute wording of the law book that would be the correct decision. That said I still think I would want to see the dynamics of who stopped moving after the tackle, when and how. Wet pitch, dry pitch, natural roll, artificial roll. I would want to award the try and would be looking for reasons to do so rather than for excuses to chalk it off
Yeah Im sorry - I do.So here is what I think is the answer.
Much as I would like to award the try, I cannot get round Law 13.3
[LAWS]13.3 A player on the ground without the ball is out of the game and must:
Allow opponents who are not on the ground to play or gain possession of the ball.
Not play the ball.
Not tackle or attempt to tackle an opponent. [/LAWS]
If Red is allowed to roll over and play the ball, then so is Blue and this seems to be exactly what 13.3 specificly forbids.
But as Rich NL points out the correct answer is actually neither A nor B (oops)
The correct answer, I believe, is
The ball is lost forward from Blue, so playing advantage to Red
Red commits an offence (playing ball on ground )
So no advantage gained, back to the knock on
Sanction for Blue KO in the in goal : 5m scrum to Red
Anyone seriously disagree ?
It will if you keep wanting to apply it so rigidly to the exact letter. You are going to kill the game. In such a dynamic sport you have to to bend a little on the laws.I think that, as time goes on and we work through some scenarios , we see that 13.3 has a definite impact on the game
So here is what I think is the answer.
Much as I would like to award the try, I cannot get round Law 13.3
[LAWS]13.3 A player on the ground without the ball is out of the game and must:
Allow opponents who are not on the ground to play or gain possession of the ball.
Not play the ball.
Not tackle or attempt to tackle an opponent. [/LAWS]
If Red is allowed to roll over and play the ball, then so is Blue and this seems to be exactly what 13.3 specificly forbids.
But as Rich NL points out the correct answer is actually neither A nor B (oops)
The correct answer, I believe, is
The ball is lost forward from Blue, so playing advantage to Red
Red commits an offence (playing ball on ground )
So no advantage gained, back to the knock on
Sanction for Blue KO in the in goal : 5m scrum to Red
Anyone seriously disagree ?
Why? He is "going to ground to gather the ball" (and may at the same time play it by grounding it).So if a ball is kicked into goal and a player slides to ground it (attacker or defender) you're going to penalise them for playing the ball while off their feet :chin: