[In-goal] Reaching Out

[thepercy]

If a player reaches out to score while being tackled, are they entitle to reach out again?

 

[crossref]

need to see the video but I would think yes
as long as they don't crawl/wriggle/belly creep along the ground and then reach

 

[thepercy]

General question.


Rees-Zammit non-try from Wednesday made me think about it. At first it sounded like Peyper was saying the 2nd reach was worthy of a PK, then said something like RZ was short of the line anyways.

 

[Marc Wakeham]

If a player reaches out to score while being tackled, are they entitle to reach out again?

Once tackled there are three things (Pass / place / release) they can do "immediately". Until they are tackled they can do what they like (almost).

What they do before the tackle is completed has no bearing on post tackle.

 

[Dickie E]

If a player reaches out to score while being tackled, are they entitle to reach out again?

I'd need a clearer understanding of what "while being tackled" means. But I agree with Marc's comments.

 

[thepercy]

I'd need a clearer understanding of what "while being tackled" means. But I agree with Marc's comments.

A player dives and reaches out for the goal-line (fully extended) is short, in the process is tackled, are they entitled to another reach?

 

[thepercy]

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[crossref]

A player dives and reaches out for the goal-line (fully extended) is short, in the process is tackled, are they entitled to another reach?

Like the force of the tackle actually knocked him a bit closer ?
So now he can reach the line

I reckon yes

 

[Balones]

If a player reaches out to score while being tackled, are they entitle to reach out again?

Yes. Nigel Owen explained why during the match. Jaco P wasn’t clear when he was trying to reason the incident and perhaps there was some input from his very experienced AR to get him to start referring to the third movement which involved dragging the ball back.
Basically ok as long as there is no crawl/wriggle as CR says in his post.

 

[Ciaran Trainor]

I think they concluded the second legal reach didn't make the line therefore he couldn't perform a third movement to bring the ball back.

 

[SherilynDominion]

It's hard to say.

 

[OB..]

[LAWS]14.7 Tackled players must immediately: ...[/LAWS]

A second attempt cannot be described as "immediate".

 

[Flish]

"1 Dynamic Movement" is the phrase circulating in some societies, which is how I've policed it, you get one go / decision

 

[Phil E]

Had one like this last week.

Tackled close to the line ending up on his knees.
He then fell forward onto his front, thereby gaining another 3 feet or so.
He then reached out solely with his arm to place the ball on the goal line.

Opposition claimed it was a double movement, as they saw the fall forward as a second motion.
I conferred with my AR and he (like me) saw the fall forward as part of the tackle, so not a second movement.
The gap between being on his knees and falling forward was less than a second.

Thoughts?

 

[Flish]

Seems reasonable, he remained in place where he landed and reached out. If he'd been short I'd allow him to immediately pull it back and place it as long as no jackler on the ball

 

[Dickie E]

yeah try

 

[OB..]

Very sensible decision.

 

[Arabcheif]

In my vast experience *cough, cough* lol. I agree. With Phil E's scenario - Try

 

[Decorily]

. If he'd been short I'd allow him to immediately pull it back and place it as long as no jackler on the ball

Personally I wouldn't allow this.
For me it's a 'double movement' and would penalise.

 

[Flish]

Personally I wouldn't allow this.
For me it's a 'double movement' and would penalise.

Intrigued, so if he reaches out, realises he's short your expected next action is? Just release?