Scrum advantage and then a penalty...

[Dan Cottrell]

Sure this has been answered elsewhere and the answer is obvious.

knock on by Red, advantage to Blue...Red then come offside (or prevent release), in the ruck where Blue still have advantage (that is no ground or tactical gain of any sort yet)...give a penalty. Is that the right call?

 

[damo]

Yes.

If you are playing advantage to one team and the other team commits a "higher" offence, you go with that one. Don't forget to play advantage for the penalty as well.

 

[crossref]

Sure this has been answered elsewhere and the answer is obvious.

knock on by Red, advantage to Blue...Red then come offside (or prevent release), in the ruck where Blue still have advantage (that is no ground or tactical gain of any sort yet)...give a penalty. Is that the right call?

it was discussed just a few days ago
http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread.php?15849-two-offences

45 posts - - so answer evidently not compltely obvious.

 

[FlipFlop]

Bascially think of it as - a Penalty is an advantage. So the process is:
Red Knock on
Scrum advantage to blue
Red offside
Scrum advantage over & Penalty advantage to Blue

Penalty is clearly an advantage over a scrum, as you get more options (including chance to kick for goal), but could also take a scrum.

I would argue that most further infringements by the same side are likely to be an advantage - simply by "resetting" the time you allow the side to try and gain that advantage. Of course if a team is going backwards, this doesn't apply (but why are you still playing the advantage from the first one then?), and the location of a PK might mean I don't follow this. But most the time it is true.

 

[Davet]

Yes.

If you are playing advantage to one team and the other team commits a "higher" offence, you go with that one. Don't forget to play advantage for the penalty as well.

Not quite.

It's not a "higher" offence, but a Foul Play offence which would trump.

If the original offennce was foul play then advantage would have to be bloody good in order for you not to blow the whistle immediately anyway.

If it was bloody good, but the recipients then committed their own FP offence then I'd be inclined to reverse it, but it is a judgement call. as would be cards

 

[Dickie E]

Not quite.

It's not a "higher" offence, but a Foul Play offence which would trump.

Not all foul play, only dangerous play

 

[andyscott]

Be better at reading the game, if a knock on occurs you should know if the advantage is likely to come. If not quickly blow up and have the scrum.

 

[Waspsfan]

Be better at reading the game, if a knock on occurs you should know if the advantage is likely to come. If not quickly blow up and have the scrum.

Perhaps advantage was likely to come and was correctly being played, and then red went offside. How can you tell his reading of the game needs to be better?