[Maul] sliding back

[crossref]

This is not the scenario being referred to.
I refer to the moment a maul is about to form/ has already formed.

Perhaps explain a bit more then?
Ball carrier can't pass the ball if a maul is about to form? I think that is a bit of a hazy concept...

 

[Dickie E]

This is not the scenario being referred to.
I refer to the moment a maul is about to form/ has already formed.

But in general play a maul is about to form once you have a ball carrier and an opponent in contact and a team mate in the vicinity

 

[Decorily]

But in general play a maul is about to form once you have a ball carrier and an opponent in contact and a team mate in the vicinity

Potentially about to form.

If for instance multiple support players arrive and the ball carrier 'long' passes the ball to one of the support players who has one or two teammates in front then there may potentially be an obstruction scenario to be considered.

 

[Stu10]

This is getting weird... I think it worth clarifying that there is open play and a maul in this discussion... from a law perspective, there is no in-between phase. Can we please describe what law is contravened in open play or during a maul, with a supporting law specified?

 

[didds]

This is not the scenario being referred to.
I refer to the moment a maul is about to form/ has already formed.

so the ball carrier cannot pop a pass out to a receiver then?

 

[crossref]

i think we are seeing in real time why WR decided to quietly forget about this whole long pass thing !

 

[ianh5979]

My understanding of the long transfer was the jumper at a lineout brings the ball down and holds it at arms length away, one of his/her teammates then takes the ball and then drives forward into the initial ball carrier (who should be offside now as he wasn't in contact when the ball was transfered) blocking the opponents

 

[Decorily]

so the ball carrier cannot pop a pass out to a receiver then?

Of course they can.
This is simply about obstruction in the act of forming a maul.

Look at it this way then....if in your scenario (pop to receiver) the receiver then ran back to the bunch of teammates in front of him and bound onto them preventing the opposition from getting to the ball carrier what would you consider that? Obstruction, accidental offside...something else?

 

[Decorily]

My understanding of the long transfer was the jumper at a lineout brings the ball down and holds it at arms length away, one of his/her teammates then takes the ball and then drives forward into the initial ball carrier (who should be offside now as he wasn't in contact when the ball was transfered) blocking the opponents

Yes you are correct.

 

[crossref]

Of course they can.
This is simply about obstruction in the act of forming a maul.

Look at it this way then....if in your scenario (pop to receiver) the receiver then ran back to the bunch of teammates in front of him and bound onto them preventing the opposition from getting to the ball carrier what would you consider that? Obstruction, accidental offside...something else?

Ie, it's not the long pass that is a problem

It's the new ball carrier binding on to team mates who are in front of hum

 

[Decorily]

Ie, it's not the long pass that is a problem

It's the new ball carrier binding on to team mates who are in front of hum

Correct.....but the long pass creates the problem

 

[Stu10]

Ie, it's not the long pass that is a problem

It's the new ball carrier binding on to team mates who are in front of hum

Accidental offside (scrum) or penalty offence?

 

[Decorily]

Accidental offside (scrum) or penalty offence?

Or manage......ie tell them to break away.

 

[jdeagro]

This is not the scenario being referred to.
I refer to the moment a maul is about to form/ has already formed.

I kinda read crossref's post to hint at that that either a maul is formed or it's not - there's no in between (at least from the laws perspective). If it's not formed yet, then the scenario he described is equivalent to the scenario you're speaking about.

 

[Decorily]

I kinda read crossref's post to hint at that that either a maul is formed or it's not - there's no in between (at least from the laws perspective). If it's not formed yet, then the scenario he described is equivalent to the scenario you're speaking about.

I am not saying there is an 'in-between '.
I'll leave it at that.

 

[didds]

Potentially about to form.

If for instance multiple support players arrive and the ball carrier 'long' passes the ball to one of the support players who has one or two teammates in front then there may potentially be an obstruction scenario to be considered.

... or potenbtailly about to reecive a pass.

... or potentially about to run somewhere else into position

... or potentially about to throw himself to the ground a la greenwood as (s)he doesn't want the responsibility of dealing with the ball.

Or....

and that's the point.,..