That's entirely my point, there's no place in the game for such carry on.:norc: We agree, targeting key players is not what the sport is about. (Jumping knees first into the back of an opponent is also unacceptable in my opinion. :nono...Tell me who (and what) was Kevin McLaughlin targeting in the 6th minute of the first half!
A 'pat on the back' to the Irish, could be taken as being condescending, especially in the context of what was a cracking test match. :shrug: (80 minutes of Rugby left to play, that counts for more than the "war of words".)The Irish were refusing to rise to All Black Steve Hansen's bait yesterday, claiming they have more improvement in them ahead of the third test in Hamilton on Saturday.
A 'pat on the back' to the Irish, could be taken as being condescending, especially in the context of what was a cracking test match. :shrug: (80 minutes of Rugby left to play, that counts for more than the "war of words".)
Err it's a KIWI paper saying that there is bait to rise to???
(Don't think however you'll get many people defending some of the activities that journalists get \ got up to).
I for one however buy my paper every day and just apply the relevant 'bullcrud' filters depending which paper I'm reading.
As far as you know ... :smile::smile:epper:There is no trying to hide or suppress any parts of the interview that don't necessarily fit with whatever angle they are taking.
As far as you know ... :smile::smile:epper:
It's like the comments about books on their back cover:
Critic says:
"This book was a pile of rubbish and was far from being the best book I have ever read".
Cover on back of book says "...the best book I have ever read."
For me, 20.2(a) covers the FR players pulling instead of pushing, ie a FK offence. As I understand it, this doesn't prevent a controlled wheel, as the FR players legs are still in a position to make a forward shove. Note - it doesn't say you have to shove forward.Anyway... Could someone please point me to where the law covers whip wheeling in the scrum?
For me, 20.2(a) covers the FR players pulling instead of pushing, ie a FK offence. As I understand it, this doesn't prevent a controlled wheel, as the FR players legs are still in a position to make a forward shove. Note - it doesn't say you have to shove forward.
20.2 FRONT-ROW PLAYERS’ POSITIONS
(a) All players in a position to shove. When a scrum has formed, the body and feet of each front row player must be in a normal position to make a forward shove.
Sanction: Free Kick
And in my book (some will no doubt say I've got the wrong book) 20.8(g) covers the "whip wheel". I accept it does not mention the term "Whip Wheel" but if pulling a prop round at speed when he's expecting and braced for a push isn't "likely to collapse the scrum" I don't know what does. And in this case, the sanction is a PK not a FK.
20.8(g) Twisting, dipping or collapsing. Front row players must not twist or lower their bodies, or pull opponents, or do anything that is likely to collapse the scrum, either when the ball is being thrown in or afterwards.
Sanction: Penalty kick
And as Phil E mentioned way back in Post 26, ""walking round" and "whip wheeling" aren't the same thing.
In my own mind it's pretty clear.
- If a THP is pulling an opponent instead of pushing him, and the scrum walks round gently - it's a FK offence
- If a THP whips the scrum round violently (no doubt aided and abetted by team mates behnd him) - it's a PK offence
He went off his left and tried a right-footed drop goal, which went wide. The ball had been called "touched in flight" as it had indeed been touched by Seán O'Brien. This is where Owens erred. As soon as Ali Williams and Adam Thompson saw that O'Brien had touched the ball -- even though they were in front of Carter -- they rushed into the in-goal area where Eoin Reddan was scampering back to try and take possession of the ball. He gained possession two metres from his deadball line and was immediately tackled by the two All Black forwards over that line. If you look at the IRB rulebook in relation to offside under the 10-metre law -- rule 11.4 (f) -- the 10-metre law does not apply when a player kicks the ball and an opponent charges down the kick and a team-mate of the kicker who is in front of the imaginary 10-metre line across the field then plays the ball. The opponent was not 'waiting to play the ball' and the team-mate is onside. The 10-metre law applies if the ball touches or is played by an opponent but is not charged down. I think that Owens assumed the ball had gone dead. Maybe not.
Either way, Reddan was tackled out of play by two players who were offside. Reddan never got a chance to play the ball and kick it down field and he would have had a good opportunity to do so because all of the other All Blacks were so far away from him he would have had a good opportunity to get good distance. He was prevented from doing so by two offside players and Owens awarded a five-metre scrum to the right of the posts.
I'm not sure who Neil Francis is, and why he is writing a column about rugby, rather than say knitting, but this piece from him is embarrassing.
I'm not sure who Neil Francis is, and why he is writing a column about rugby, rather than say knitting, but this piece from him is embarrassing. The full article can be found here http://www.independent.ie/sport/rug...ef-but-this-is-one-that-got-away-3140506.html His mistake seems to be in thinking that the touch on the irishman's fingers as he was charging down the ball was not a chargedown. What chance have we got if paid rugby columnists don't know the most basic rules.
Interesting expectation. I believe both Murray Mexted and Stewart Barnes played a bit in their younger days.As a former player of some standing, he ought to have known better.
Interesting expectation. I believe both Murray Mexted and Stewart Barnes played a bit in their younger days.
What chance have we got if paid rugby columnists don't know the most basic rules.