(old thread, but no need to start a new one).well, i feel that a GLDO for being held up 2 inches over the line,is not that equitable for the attackers
If a 5m scrum (old scenario is seen as unfair in the defenders for havng valiantly defended, then what about 10m scrum?)
In a different vein a GLDO for the attackers vaguely kicking the ball in goal and creating a minimum of pressure so that the defnse dot down and dont feel they have to start fraffinfg around in goal seems inqequitable for the defneding team - they werent under much presssure but the oppo are going to tget the ball back in their own half. Returning to a 22 DO seems reasonable to me.
(old thread, but no need to start a new one).
Now that this has been in play for a while, the GLDO from held up really seems like a get out of jail for defenders. The problem is that so often it is inconclusive to see if it is grounded(try) or not(GLDO). The difference in outcome here is massive, the old rule of 5m attacking scrum seems a lot more equitable for both teams.
which law is that? Are you thinking 21.17?If there is doubt over whether the ball was grounded or not, then the law allows for a 5m attacking scrum.
which law is that? Are you thinking 21.17?
It never occurred to me to use 21.17 in that way ... I like it.Yes, this is in advice given by the RFU.
I realise your Union may think differently.
Notwithstanding any RFU advice that Phil has seen, it would be exactly the same here !It never occurred to me to use 21.17 in that way ... I like it.
It raises another issue for me. As a community level referee in Australia I don't have a reliable way of finding out if that's kosher here too. I could throw up the question on our FB page and then I'd get 40 referees offering 45 opinions
Notwithstanding any RFU advice that Phil has seen, it would be exactly the same here !
For me :
pile of bodies, no clear grounding = GLDO
If you give a 5m attacking scrum then you will have 30 players and both touchlines all agreed that you have made a Law error.
So I wouldn't go there
it's not unheard of for an attacking ball carrier to step on or over DBL in an effort to score between the sticksTherefore If the ball is taken into the goal area by the attacking side and is made dead, regardless of how, it has to be GLDO.
maybe we are thinking of different scenarios, let's clarifiyOn the contrary, the players are quite happy with a 5m scrum where no one can see whether it was grounded or held up.
There are still other option for a 5m scrum as well. The 5m scrum hasn't gone away as many thought when the GLDO first came into force.
maybe we are thinking of different scenarios, let's clarifiy
a) attackers take the ball into the in goal, there is tackley/mauley sort of thing .... you can't be sure if the ball was grounded or not = GLDO
b) defenders take the ball into the in goal, there is tackley/mauley sort of thing ... you can't be sure if the ball was grounded or not = 5m attacking scrum
for me, in (a) wouldn't consider 21.17 and I think that if you did it would be a surprise to everyone
Ive seen it happen once since I started playing in 1976.it's not unheard of for an attacking ball carrier to step on or over DBL in an effort to score between the sticks
I had it two or three games ago !it's not unheard of for an attacking ball carrier to step on or over DBL in an effort to score between the sticks
explain that a bit more, Balones? becauseThere is a difference between being made ‘dead’ and doubt over grounding. Hence different outcome. Dead is dead. In the latter there has been a definite grounding but there is no certainty about who did it first so in which case you go back to the principle that generally applies anywhere on the pitch - scrum.