Yes, that's what I didIf I am going to override the TJs like this (and I have done), then I will call over both captains and explain why.
I don't understand how this actually works .. if one of you thinks it missed, and the other thinks it went through, then how do you decide which person over rules the other ?We don’t not agree. We work one up one back and post each. We look at the flight and if it’s veering towards one or other post or falling short we’ll claim it as “LLP’s call/post” and the other will wait for a yes or no and match accordingly.
My mantra is DFIU and don’t hang the referee out to dry.
Well, for me that it's a mistaken approach, for the reasons in last postBoth flags go up or neither flag goes up. If we decide it’s my post/call then my partner will leave it to me or vice versa. I will say “yes” or “no” and my partner will raise their flag with me or vice versa. It’s not a referendum. It works most of the time.
Suit yourself.Well, for me that it's a mistaken approach, for the reasons in last post
I have always been coached and performed it as LLP describes and it makes sense to me. I only have a clear view of one post (the one I’m standing under). If my angle makes it questionable for me if the ball was inside or outside the other post, I’m not going to guess. I’m going to wait for the head nod or head shake from the other AR who was standing under that post and had the much better view. Then we raise or leave our flags together, presenting a consistent and confident message to the referee and the spectators. It seems very simple and straightforward to me?Well, for me that it's a mistaken approach, for the reasons in last post
It is the approach taken at the panel and above levels of the game. It is also the approach taken by my society when we are trainjng our ARs.Well, for me that it's a mistaken approach, for the reasons in last post
But then why not stand in a different place so that you can both make a judgement?I have always been coached and performed it as LLP describes and it makes sense to me. I only have a clear view of one post (the one I’m standing under). If my angle makes it questionable for me if the ball was inside or outside the other post, I’m not going to guess. I’m going to wait for the head nod or head shake from the other AR who was standing under that post and had the much better view. Then we raise or leave our flags together, presenting a consistent and confident message to the referee and the spectators. It seems very simple and straightforward to me?
You are discussing different scenarios - LLP with trained TJs/ARS; you with club voluntolds. In your case you just have to go with what you have, and don't rely on them to provide the perfect result. Ideally they give you the right result, and you can humour them by waiting until they have signalled before confirming your own decision.Well, for me that it's a mistaken approach, for the reasons in last post
I know, and I think it needs a fundamental rethink. In all other aspects a golden rule for MOs is 'dont guess' but in this one area it's encouragedIt is the approach taken at the panel and above levels of the game. It is also the approach taken by my society when we are trainjng our ARs.
I am a National Panel AR so I suppose the answer is yes.It is the approach taken at the panel and above levels of the game. It is also the approach taken by my society when we are trainjng our ARs.
I have been stung by society colleagues as well.You are discussing different scenarios - LLP with trained TJs/ARS; you with club voluntolds. In your case you just have to go with what you have, and don't rely on them to provide the perfect result. Ideally they give you the right result, and you can humour them by waiting until they have signalled before confirming your own decision.
You're setting off on one of your well worn paths which usually results in PhilE locking the thread. You've had your answer as to how it's done in Nat 2 North when I'm doing it so please carry on your one man crusade to change the status quo without me. Cheers.I know, and I think it needs a fundamental rethink. In all other aspects a golden rule for MOs is 'dont guess' but in this one area it's encouraged
Indeed!....... It works most of the time.
Its not a guess. Its having confidence in your partner's decisionI know, and I think it needs a fundamental rethink. In all other aspects a golden rule for MOs is 'dont guess' but in this one area it's encouraged