2018 Law Focus Areas. Notes from Conference

[Dickie E]

You of all people should know that!!!

touche

 

[crossref]

still wondering what 'exposed' means

I read the slides and watched the video it means if a seagull could poo on it

 

[Phil E]

I read the slides and watched the video it means if a seagull could poo on it

In this context exposed means the ball has no one over it, or the ball has left the ruck confines.

 

[Taff]

still wondering what 'exposed' means

I read the slides and watched the video it means if a seagull could poo on it

In this context exposed means the ball has no one over it, or the ball has left the ruck confines.

What I THINK it means is that we are meant to use the Seagull Test instead of the Rubber Band Test. :chin:

Eg if the ball is on the ground and between the legs of a player pushing in the ruck, it may pass the Seagull Test of ruck over but fail the Rubber Band Test.

 

[crossref]

If everyone is one the floor the rubber band test can't be used .. nothing to put the band round ..

 

[Dickie E]

I read the slides and watched the video it means if a seagull could poo on it

so is the concept of 'use it' now over? If a ref is inclined to call 'use it' it probably means the ball is exposed and open slather

 

[Phil E]

What I THINK it means is that we are meant to use the Seagull Test instead of the Rubber Band Test. :chin:

Eg if the ball is on the ground and between the legs of a player pushing in the ruck, it may pass the Seagull Test of ruck over but fail the Rubber Band Test.

In all the video examples there is no one on their feet, I believe this is the key. The ball is effectively in the open begging to be picked up.

 

[Taff]

In all the video examples there is no one on their feet, I believe this is the key. The ball is effectively in the open begging to be picked up.

OK. So we are expected to carry on as normal (with "Use It") if players are on their feet and the ball is at the back of the ruck? :chin:

 

[Phil E]

OK. So we are expected to carry on as normal (with "Use It") if players are on their feet and the ball is at the back of the ruck? :chin:

Yes, that’s what we were told.

 

[Dickie E]

OK. So we are expected to carry on as normal (with "Use It") if players are on their feet and the ball is at the back of the ruck? :chin:

Noting that 'on their feet' means that if they lifted their arms, they wouldn't fall over forwards

 

[Zebra1922]

If we reach a scenario where the ball is exposed and the ruck is now over, are we in effect back in open play and therefore there are no offside lines? I.e. opposition players can come round the area that was the ruck and play the ball from any direction?

 

[didds]

So if all these players are off their feet "at the ruck" - why aren;t they pinged for being off their feet?

confused...

 

[crossref]

If we reach a scenario where the ball is exposed and the ruck is now over, are we in effect back in open play and therefore there are no offside lines? I.e. opposition players can come round the area that was the ruck and play the ball from any direction?

not exactly - even though the ruck is over, players who were never onside from the ruck - loiterers - can't benefit from loitering

but an onside player can certainly come in from any angle to pick up the ball

 

[Camquin]

Because if is not a penalty offence to be off your feet per se.
Players must endeavour to stay on their feet and must not deliberately collapse.
However, once off their feet they must not interfere with play and must attempt to roll away.

 

[Pinky]

If we reach a scenario where the ball is exposed and the ruck is now over, are we in effect back in open play and therefore there are no offside lines? I.e. opposition players can come round the area that was the ruck and play the ball from any direction?

I think the intention is that you can only play the ball from behind it. I think this is what the dead ruck is about - it means there is still an offside line, essentially through the ball as there is no hindmost foot, but not no offside line like open play.

 

[didds]

... but that woldn;'t prevent a player from an onside position attempting to come through and play the ball.

(I may have misunderstood

didds

 

[CrouchTPEngage]

... but that woldn;'t prevent a player from an onside position attempting to come through and play the ball.

(I may have misunderstood

didds

Correct. And that's the point. Any defender can now come through and pick up the ball which previously may have been regarded as "in the once-a-ruck" as it is in front of the hindmost foot of what was a ruck. So the 9 must now not hang about.
The idea is to increase the jeopardy and the chance of a turnover.

 

[thepercy]

Correct. And that's the point. Any defender can now come through and pick up the ball which previously may have been regarded as "in the once-a-ruck" as it is in front of the hindmost foot of what was a ruck. So the 9 must now not hang about.
The idea is to increase the jeopardy and the chance of a turnover.

Watching professional rugby recently I am seeing a lot more teams protecting their ball in the ruck.

 

[thepercy]

New guidance from USA Rugby refs dept this season:

If the ruck is clearly won, and the SH uses hands to roll the ball into a better position, then the ball is considered to be out of the ruck.

 

[CrouchTPEngage]

New guidance from USA Rugby refs dept this season:

If the ruck is clearly won, and the SH uses hands to roll the ball into a better position, then the ball is considered to be out of the ruck.

Wow ! Not heard that one at my society meetings. Interesting. My view was ball is out when its "lifted" or the whole of the ball has gone behind the whole of the hindmost foot. Now , I am going to have to add this new thing about dead-rucks and exposed balls.
I'll probably just stick to those 3 for now.