[Law] Can a player return from a Yellow Card when the clock is beyond 80 minutes?

[wayner]

Let's say a player gets a YC at the 71 minute mark. When the clock says 82 minutes there is a penalty which stops play, but the game has not yet ended. Can a player who was off the field with a YC but who has served his entire ten minutes return to the field? I can't find this in the laws. This may happen even more frequently if the ELVs are permanently adopted as they allow more things to happen after 80 minutes - as a line out from a PK to touch will occur under the ELVs.

 

[Rushforth]

Both YC and playing time clocks are in terms of playing time only. So the answer is no: if a player gets sin-binned in the 71st minute, there are only 9 minutes of play remaining.

 

[OB..]

Both YC and playing time clocks are in terms of playing time only. So the answer is no: if a player gets sin-binned in the 71st minute, there are only 9 minutes of play remaining.

Not really. Play continues past 80 minutes until there is an appropriate stoppage. A penalty does not end play.

 

[Rushforth]

Not really. Play continues past 80 minutes until there is an appropriate stoppage. A penalty does not end play.

My game today ended with a penalty after "final play" call, so in the 81st minute. I do not consider that to be an appropriate stoppage for a Yellow Carded player to come back on.

 

[crossref]

Of course he can come on, ten minutes has elapsed...

(Caveat.. You wouldn't prevent red taking a quick tap to allow a blue YC back on the pitch)

 

[Camquin]

I believe a player may only rejoin when the ball is dead. 3.12(b)
Though I would allow a team to make a change - including bring back a carded player - when they had been awarded a penalty.
I am not sure time being up makes any difference to this general rule.

Of course, local regulations might change this.

 

[chbg]

A YC indicates suspension "for 10 minutes playing time" (Definitions and 10.5a). "If time expires and a ... penalty kick is awarded, the referee allows play to continue." (5.7e). If it is a stoppage during which you would allow a player back on during the original 80 minutes, then you should allow it to occur at 82 minutes if "play is to continue". So if a quickly taken penalty, then no. If there is a suitable pause, then yes.

 

[Dickie E]

would you allow a sub to be made by either team at a PK at any time during the game? The answer to this should dictate what you do for a YC return.

Referring to the OP's question about a lineout after time has expired - certainly a YC'd player could return for that and/or a substitiution could be made.

 

[Drift]

My game today ended with a penalty after "final play" call, so in the 81st minute. I do not consider that to be an appropriate stoppage for a Yellow Carded player to come back on.

He served his 10 minutes, he needs to be allowed back onto the field.

 

[Drift]

A YC indicates suspension "for 10 minutes playing time" (Definitions and 10.5a). "If time expires and a ... penalty kick is awarded, the referee allows play to continue." (5.7e). If it is a stoppage during which you would allow a player back on during the original 80 minutes, then you should allow it to occur at 82 minutes if "play is to continue". So if a quickly taken penalty, then no. If there is a suitable pause, then yes.

I disagree, if the player has served his 10 minutes he needs to be allowed back on the field. If the opposition get a PK he still needs to be brought back on, otherwise you are subjecting them to a disadvantage longer than the law states they should have it. If they lose a close game because of you not allowing the player to enter the field of play after serving his 10 minutes is, in my opinion, not an acceptable decision to make.

 

[Ian_Cook]

So here is the obvious question that stems from the OP's question

A player is YC at the 35 minute mark, so all things being equal, he should return at the 5min mark in the second half. However after the 40 min is up, ball doesn't go dead, and one of the teams plays on, keeping the ball alive for another three minutes.

When does the YC player come back on?

a. 2 min into the second half (ball in play for 10 min) or

b. 5 min into the second half (ball in play for 13 min)

 

[Drift]

2 minutes into the half.

 

[leaguerefaus]

So here is the obvious question that stems from the OP's question

A player is YC at the 35 minute mark, so all things being equal, he should return at the 5min mark in the second half. However after the 40 min is up, ball doesn't go dead, and one of the teams plays on, keeping the ball alive for another three minutes.

When does the YC player come back on?

a. 2 min into the second half (ball in play for 10 min) or

b. 5 min into the second half (ball in play for 13 min)

Definitely A. You cannot suspend him from 13 minutes of play.

 

[Ian_Cook]

2 minutes into the half.

Definitely A. You cannot suspend him from 13 minutes of play.

Yep, I agree, so why would we not apply the same logic to the end of a match?

 

[Drift]

Yep, I agree, so why would we not apply the same logic to the end of a match?

We definitely should, it's only Rushforth who is against this idea.

 

[leaguerefaus]

Yep, I agree, so why would we not apply the same logic to the end of a match?

Most definitely, Ian! Same logic needs to apply.

 

[Phil E]

I disagree, if the player has served his 10 minutes he needs to be allowed back on the field. ............... If they lose a close game because of you not allowing the player to enter the field of play after serving his 10 minutes is, in my opinion, not an acceptable decision to make.

After his 10 minutes are up he can't come back on until the next time the ball is dead. This could conceivably mean he is off the pitch for 10, 11, 15, 18 minutes or more if play continues without a break.

Also

[LAWS]Clarification in Law by the Designated Members of the Rugby Committee

Law 3.11(b) states that “A player who leaves a match because of injury or any other reason must not rejoin the match until the referee permits the player to return. The referee must not let a player rejoin a match until the ball is dead.”

The referee in such circumstances is entitled to allow a team to take a quick throw-in. If the referee allows a quick throw-in, the player who has been temporarily suspended or replaced will be permitted to rejoin the match at the next stoppage in play as decided by the referee.[/LAWS]

 

[crossref]

The referee in such circumstances is entitled to allow a team to take a quick throw-in. If the referee allows a quick throw-in, the player who has been temporarily suspended or replaced will be permitted to rejoin the match at the next stoppage in play as decided by the referee.[/LAWS]

which is quite an interesting point, a clever team knowing that an opponent YC is time-expired and waiting to come on, will look to take the QTI if they possibly can, simply to maintain the 15 v 14 advantage. Ditto quick tapping a PK or FK.

 

[Dickie E]

[LAWS]Clarification 2 2007
Ruling in Law by the Designated Members of the Rugby Committee
Ruling2-2007Union / HP Ref ManagerIRFULaw Reference3Date12 March 2007Request
1. A penalty kick is awarded to White team. Before the kick is taken, can White team make a substitution? (If so, we assume that the substitute can take the penalty kick.)

2. A penalty kick is awarded to White team. Before the kick is taken can a previously sin-binned White player return; given that the 10 minutes have fully elapsed? (If so, we assume that the returning player may take the penalty kick.)

Ruling in Law by the Designated Members of the Rugby Committee
A substitution can only be made when the ball is dead. A referee must not let a player rejoin the match until the ball is dead. The ball is dead when the ball is out of play. This happens when the ball has gone outside the playing area and remained there, or when the referee has blown the whistle to indicate a stoppage in play, or when a conversion kick has been taken.

In both cases outlined above, the ball is dead, and therefore the answer to each question is in the affirmative[/LAWS]

 

[Drift]

After his 10 minutes are up he can't come back on until the next time the ball is dead. This could conceivably mean he is off the pitch for 10, 11, 15, 18 minutes or more if play continues without a break.

Also

[LAWS]Clarification in Law by the Designated Members of the Rugby Committee

Law 3.11(b) states that “A player who leaves a match because of injury or any other reason must not rejoin the match until the referee permits the player to return. The referee must not let a player rejoin a match until the ball is dead.”

The referee in such circumstances is entitled to allow a team to take a quick throw-in. If the referee allows a quick throw-in, the player who has been temporarily suspended or replaced will be permitted to rejoin the match at the next stoppage in play as decided by the referee.[/LAWS]

The ball is dead at a PK, as outlined at the law clarification 2 from 2007.

As posted by Dickie above.