[Tackle] catch in air protocol?

[mugsey]

Evening all,

is there a protocol for players catching the ball in the air from a kick, and being up ended by someone going for the ball but who is considerably lower than the catcher? Eyes on ball? What would we say is the red card? What are the mitigating factors.?
thanks

 

[crossref]

I am not sure there is a current, written out protocol .

AIUI you go

1 was there foul play?
Was the player genuinely going for the catch and was he in a position to make the catch
Eyes on ball is a factor, but it's not conclusive

If so you may decide it was an accident , play on
If not it's foul play

2 It it's foul play
Land on head or neck RC
Land on back or side YC
Land on feet possibility of PK only

Disregard any stretched out hand in this assessment

 

[Arabcheif]

Agreed. Further wee question on this. Lets say the Chasing player has been really fast and got under the ball (or the kick didn't go too far). So he's on the ground waiting for the ball to come down. The Defending (non kicking team) catcher comes sprinting up and leaps to catch the ball. He then makes contact with the Kickers colleague who's under the ball already waiting for the catch. The non kicking team's catcher as a result of the contact he's created goes over and lands on his side lets say. What's the call.

I'd say play on, provided that the kick chaser under the ball doesn't move into the contact. What do you guys think?

 

[beckett50]

If they are both in the air challenging for the ball then this is a rugby incident. The fact that one player is able to jump higher than another does not enter the equation

You say in the OP that the

players catching the ball in the air from a kick, and being up ended by someone going for the ball but who is considerably lower than the catcher? Eyes on ball?

therefore a call of "Both challenging, play on !".

 

[Decorily]

If they are both in the air challenging for the ball then this is a rugby incident. The fact that one player is able to jump higher than another does not enter the equation

You say in the OP that the

players catching the ball in the air from a kick, and being up ended by someone going for the ball but who is considerably lower than the catcher? Eyes on ball?

therefore a call of "Both challenging, play on !".

If only it were as simple as this!!

 

[Ciaran Trainor]

If the leaping defender has a bad fall whether it's his fault or not, loud blast, stop play.
Potential flash point then manage it with your explaination

 

[L'irlandais]

How about the 2015, Law application guidelines. Foul play?
It goes without saying, if you felt what you saw was a fair challenge, then play on. (Only you wouldn’t have asked the question in that case.)

Challenging players in the air - Law 10.4(i)

Play on – Fair challenge with both players in a realistic position to catch the ball. Even if the player(s) land(s) dangerously, play on

Would anyone seriously play on if a player landed dangerously?

[LAWS]Penalty only – Fair challenge with wrong timing - No pulling down
Yellow card – Not a fair challenge, there is no contest and the player is pulled down landing on his back or side
Red card – It’s not a fair challenge with no contest, whilst being a reckless or deliberate foul play action and the player lands in a dangerous position[/LAWS]Video examples are quite clear about what is okay, and what isn’t. Can’t see that that’s changed in 4 years.
Missing from the current Law 9

 

[didds]

Agreed. Further wee question on this. Lets say the Chasing player has been really fast and got under the ball (or the kick didn't go too far). So he's on the ground waiting for the ball to come down. The Defending (non kicking team) catcher comes sprinting up and leaps to catch the ball. He then makes contact with the Kickers colleague who's under the ball already waiting for the catch. The non kicking team's catcher as a result of the contact he's created goes over and lands on his side lets say. What's the call.

its normally the otherway round of course. which is why now tactically it makes sense to kick it AT the defender rather than into space. Because it forces the defender to actually move AWAY form the point of landing or concede a PK and probably card as the chasing player jumps and the rest is history.

 

[crossref]

its normally the otherway round of course. which is why now tactically it makes sense to kick it AT the defender rather than into space. Because it forces the defender to actually move AWAY form the point of landing or concede a PK and probably card as the chasing player jumps and the rest is history.

The laws encourage coaching players to always jump .. which of course would lead to more dangerous accidents

 

[Ian_Cook]

Agreed. Further wee question on this. Lets say the Chasing player has been really fast and got under the ball (or the kick didn't go too far). So he's on the ground waiting for the ball to come down. The Defending (non kicking team) catcher comes sprinting up and leaps to catch the ball. He then makes contact with the Kickers colleague who's under the ball already waiting for the catch. The non kicking team's catcher as a result of the contact he's created goes over and lands on his side lets say. What's the call.

I'd say play on, provided that the kick chaser under the ball doesn't move into the contact. What do you guys think?

Oh, how I would love this to be true... that if you are stationary, and you are under the ball waiting to catch it when some careless idiot (yes Dan Biggar, I'm talking about you) comes charging in, leaps in the air from a great distance and gets upended when his shins make contact with your face, it would be his own stupid fault, and the dangerous play PK and YC/RC is given to him)

"Keep your eyes on the ball" was at one time core tenet of the game. Unfortunately, this is no longer true.

 

[TigerCraig]

Oh, how I would love this to be true... that if you are stationary, and you are under the ball waiting to catch it when some careless idiot (yes Dan Biggar, I'm talking about you) comes charging in, leaps in the air from a great distance and gets upended when his shins make contact with your face, it would be his own stupid fault, and the dangerous play PK and YC/RC is given to him)

"Keep your eyes on the ball" was at one time core tenet of the game. Unfortunately, this is no longer true.

And of course the mark law meant you had to stay on your feet

Maybe for safety's sake we will see a move to an NFL style fair catch - signal and call mark and no one can contest or touch you, but you cant play on - drop it and then its play on