I don't believe that the TMO was in a position to award the Whitelock non-try; I agree with those who say it was either a try or a PK. For me, Care's foot was on the line but behind the ball. However, the TV angle was not great so I believe there is too much doubt to award the try. That being so - PK, no card due to uncertainty - it was certainly probably that W believed himself to be in the right.
1. Cos I could see it. 2 Nigel said it was.I don't know how you can say the ball was clearly on the whitewash,
You may be right, I'll try and watch it again.however, it is clear that Whitelock's hand is touches the upper side of the ball (doesn't simply knock/propel the ball forward from the end of the ball).
If that ball WAS on the goal line, I would find it hard to argue that Whitelock didn't press down on the ball at all.
When both sides supporters are claiming they were the most hard done by then you know the ref has had a bad one.
I disagree with that statement. I disagree even more with the concept, to the degree that disagreement is not the right word.
When both sides supporters are claiming they were the most hard done by then you know the ref has had a bad one
Cute Smiley, Ian.
I happen to support England. I am fully aware that there may be some England supporters who feel that England were 'hard done by'. I am not one of them. England utterly outclassed the ABs for the first 10 minutes of the match. After that it was even.
The reason that you are scratching your head, Ian, is - Occam's Razor - really simple.
For one thing, in any close loss, there will be complainers. These do not represent the losing team.
I'll tell you a little secret: In any game played by NZ ABs, there will be supporters complaining.
Yes, they - the idiotic supporters - complain about being 'hard done by'. When 'their' team loses by a big margin, or win/lose in a close game.
I don't do sarcasm online. I learned not to more than a decade ago. I don't pretend to have great literary skills in any language.
Cute Smiley, Ian.
I happen to support England. I am fully aware that there may be some England supporters who feel that England were 'hard done by'. I am not one of them. England utterly outclassed the ABs for the first 10 minutes of the match. After that it was even.
The reason that you are scratching your head, Ian, is - Occam's Razor - really simple.
For one thing, in any close loss, there will be complainers. These do not represent the losing team.
I'll tell you a little secret: In any game played by NZ ABs, there will be supporters complaining.
Yes, they - the idiotic supporters - complain about being 'hard done by'. When 'their' team loses by a big margin, or win/lose in a close game.
I would guess that Ian's head scratch is in reply to your post that expresses 10 ways that you disagree with my post but fails to explain why.
Oh FFS!
Would the two of you ever just give it a rest. It is beyond tiresome and is ruining the forum for so many.
Anyone else who picks sides in trying to back the other up at this stage is only exacerbating the situation.
Neither of you should be mentioning / replying to each other.
Now please grow up and hold your tongues or if you feel compelled to have this sort of interaction in your lives, exchange emails and do it privately.
From my post #20
79m: The Penalty Try
The first scrum prior to the scrum at which the PT was awarded was legitimately turned through 90°. It should have been turnover and scrum feed to NZ. The scrum itself was also legitimately being turned by England through 90°. Again, this should have been a turnover.
I have looked at this again several times
First Scrum
The NZ LHP came forward while the England THP went backwards, around to his left and then he collapsed to his knees. The NZ THP never went backwards at all and the scrum only started to go toward the NZ line after it was turned nearly 90 degrees. To me, this looked like NZ legally wheeling the scrum. The only possible PK I can see here is against England for whip-wheeling.
Anyone else who picks sides in trying to back the other up at this stage is only exacerbating the situation