Glaws v Bath

[Toby Warren]

A little bird told me that the technical analysis of the referees performance has shown him to have done a good job.
This has been shared and presented to the clubs and they have privately agreed and accepted the referee was not at fault.

What the clubs say in public and what they say in private are not the same thing.

Indeed.

How do you technically review empathy? The complaint I've heard levelled against TW is that he was correct but lacked empathy. We measure a lot of things at work related to performance the behavioural side is harder to quantify (we do it via self and peer perception for those HR geeks out there)

(Standard caveat time - even if he did (only seen the highlights and he looked spot on to me) the Club's outbursts were wrong need to be curtailed)

 

[SimonSmith]

Indeed.

How do you technically review empathy? The complaint I've heard levelled against TW is that he was correct but lacked empathy. We measure a lot of things at work related to performance the behavioural side is harder to quantify (we do it via self and peer perception for those HR geeks out there)

(Standard caveat time - even if he did (only seen the highlights and he looked spot on to me) the Club's outbursts were wrong need to be curtailed)

Good point. There's a technically good match, and there's a well handled match. These things are not necessarily synonymous.

I thought his last 10 minutes were great. The preceding 70 he didn't look too happy with himself.

Regardless of that, the clubs need to STFU

 

[Browner]

A little bird told me that the technical analysis of the referees performance has shown him to have done a good job.
This has been shared and presented to the clubs and they have privately agreed and accepted the referee was not at fault.

What the clubs say in public and what they say in private are not the same thing.

And this is part of the problem (ref blaming) once clubs head down this route they ignite an anti officials mindset among those viewers who are unable or incapable of separating the subject into two piles. This then manifests itself in bottle throwing, referees escorted from pitches etc....

Clubs who don't publish with EQUAL prominence a full (RFU drafted?)acceptance of the findings ARE STILL damaging and undermining this subject.

Currently this is akin to 9 pages of tabloid headlines heading into reputational injury, followed by a bottom left corner of page 8 apology, written weeks later.

Referee Relations Dept needs more funding!

 

[Phil E]

Referee Relations Dept needs more funding!

How do you fund a non existent department? :chin:

 

[Browner]

How do you fund a non existent department? :chin:

Exactamundo!

 

[Phil E]

Exactamundo!

I don't believe that's a real word?

 

[4eyesbetter]

You try telling the Fonz that.

 

[Daftmedic]

Aaayyyyyyy

 

[SimonSmith]

I'm still waiting for the much anticipated follow up: Fonzie - The Operation Yewtree years

 

[OB..]

I agree that fully-bound is unrealistic. I disagree that his level of binding is sufficient.

A tenable point of view, but difficult to know how the line is drawn. If the player makes every effort to keep his shoulder in contact despite erratic movements by the maul, I would be more than satisfied, but if he lost his grip, maul over. -

 

[Blackberry]

The easy get out from coaches is "Well ,I wish you guys could show more consistency" to which I once replied "If you lot were as consistent as us there's be no scrums and penalties". Not sure it helped so I dropped that approach.

Consistency is always an area where gains can be made. With the maul as an example, we are all pretty competent referees (there's no comma before competent, OK) but some of us would call maul over at a point where some of us wouldn't. This is easily put right, but the "putting right" needs to be done.

 

[Blackberry]

Because its the school holidays I have the time to work on a new App, I've called it the Glocsbath App, and it can transfer blame, depending on your device's processor, at lightening speeds. You simply type in a problem you are experiencing, for example "My car has a flat tyre" (I haven't done an American spelling version yet) and up pops the response "Bloody Wigglesworth, Sheeez". The App will be free, with no pop ups, but until I can find a solution, for now when you try to log out a bottle hits you on the back of the head.

 

[Daftmedic]

I see what you did there.

 

[andyscott]

There is no such thing as 'consistency' on a rugby pitch, it can never happen.

I am sure if 2 exact things happened, with the exact set of circumstances, such as temperament, time of the game, scores, area of the pitch, same time preceding the penalty since the last one etc etc etc, then the same decision would be made. Trouble is there are to many variables for consistency.

 

[OB..]

There is no such thing as 'consistency' on a rugby pitch, it can never happen.

I am sure if 2 exact things happened, with the exact set of circumstances, such as temperament, time of the game, scores, area of the pitch, same time preceding the penalty since the last one etc etc etc, then the same decision would be made. Trouble is there are to many variables for consistency.

I have mentioned before a training session we had a while back where a number of clips were shown, we had to write down our decision(s), and then we discussed them.

In some cases the decisions were virtually unanimous. In others, there more experienced refs spotted something that others missed. Consistency from one referee to the next is unachievable, but it is what training sessions are aiming at. We do our best. However for an individual referee to be consistent within a match is something we should strive for.

And accuracy always trumps consistency. Nobody says "I made a mistake earlier so I had better make the same mistake again later." Complaints about consistency usually equate to complaints about (perceived) accuracy.