Grounding?

[woody]

Red kicks ahead into the blue in-goal. Blue 15 is all alone and goes to ground to gather the ball but misses. Blue 15 ends up swatting the ball on the ground and it goes over the dead ball line.

What level of control is needed for a grounding a loose ball?

 

[Drift]

Any downward pressure is acceptable.

 

[woody]

And if it is not so much downward as sideways?

 

[Taff]

And if it is not so much downward as sideways?

That's not grounding, but deliberately throwing the ball out of play surely, and a PK. :chin:

Did it look like he just chucked the ball out, or just made a hash of a grounding attempt?

 

[didds]

its comes down to angular force if we are being technical i guess.

A slap at 90 degrees (ie horizontal) to the ball is a swat to make the ball dead... and angle less than that must by definition provide some element of downward force.

Not that refs can be expected to carry a protractor with them and could in this sort of play be 20 metres away. My guess is you would have to make a call on perceived intent rather than vector forces.

didds

 

[Dickie E]

I never venture out without a protractor and a spare too :wink:

 

[Phil E]

I never venture out without a protractor and a spare too :wink:

Ref.....is that a protractor in your pocket, or are you...................

 

[Davet]

Was the ball in contact with ground and hand at the same time?

Was there any downwards element from the hand?

If yes to both, grounded.

Please avoid talking of "control", the word does not appear in relevant Law.

 

[David J.]

Red kicks ahead into the blue in-goal. Blue 15 is all alone and goes to ground to gather the ball but misses. Blue 15 ends up swatting the ball on the ground and it goes over the dead ball line.

What level of control is needed for a grounding a loose ball?

In this situation, what difference does it make?

 

[Ian_Cook]

In this situation, what difference does it make?

PK vs drop-out perhaps?

 

[David J.]

I see. I interpreted the original query to be a mistimed grounding knocked the ball out the back.

 

[SimonSmith]

Ref.....is that a protractor in your pocket, or are you...................

It's something that can give you a tiny pr!ck....

Hand/Ball contact, on the ground, downwards = grounded.

 

[woody]

I gave the poor guy the credit for the grounding but it has been bothering me that the ball went 5m out the back. Technically, it looked like Blue 15 touched the ball while it was touching the ground. But it may have been more of the intent to knock it out the back.

Red didn't question it all, but then they seemed to be struggling with some of the more basic laws to start with.

Thanks.

 

[Davet]

Why try to knock it dead when you can ground it?

 

[crossref]

If you thought he clearly had deliberately swatted the ball over the DBL, all alone in the in-goal area with no opponent anywhere near

would people award the PK?

 

[dave_clark]

yes i would.

 

[Dickie E]

why wouldn't it be a penalty try? By deliberately offending hasn't he taken himself out of the game as long as the next player to get to the ball was probably a Red player (even if 30 metres away) :chin: :chin: :chin: ?

 

[didds]

Please avoid talking of "control", the word does not appear in relevant Law.

hear hear Davet.

We once only drew a game [ top two in table, playing away] when the oppo was awarded a try after our full back in filthy conditions (mud, driving rain, standing puddles etc) fell on the ball kicked in goal and it "orange pipped" out from underneath him and an opponent following up dived on it. ef said exactly that word "No control of the ball, try given".

:-(

didds

 

[woody]

The swat was clear. Whether it was to touch it down or knock it out the back, was not. A PT was not clear as players from both teams were about 15m away.

 

[Phil E]

Why try to knock it dead when you can ground it?

Have you never seen a player pick the ball up in the in-goal, only to find the entire other team bearing down on him?

PANIC! :wow: